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Braun to make speech at BBWAA dinner Saturday

Posted on: January 18, 2012 12:19 pm
 
Ryan BraunBy C. Trent Rosecrans

National League MVP Ryan Braun will appear at this Saturday's Baseball Writers Association of America dinner, as CBSSports.com Insider Jon Heyman reported earlier this month. But the question remains if he'll say anything regarding his positive drug test last season?

Braun's spokesman, Matthew Hiltzik, told the New York Times on Wednesday that Braun would show up, accept the award and make a short speech.

However, Braun, who hasn't made any public statements since news broke that he'd failed the drug test in October, isn't expected to do any interviews.

Braun, and other winners of the BBWAA awards, are expected to attend the dinner. It seems unlikely that he will address the failed test before his appeal is ruled upon by MLB.

Braun and his representatives have steadfastly denied any wrongdoing, while admitting the positive drug test.

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Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: January 21, 2012 6:00 pm
 

Braun to make speech at BBWAA dinner Saturday

syeely3000 and all other haters on this site... You are so off the mark here I'd swear we live in some communist country. If your company fired you from your job for an abnormal UA, I am under the assumption you would accept it and move on? You know you don't take drugs and never have. You know the ramifications of drug use and you know what you can and can't ingest, right? Well how the hell did you fail the test then? Better yet, what if this was one of your kids? Now you really have questions because you are not in there backpocket every second of the day. You now need more info to protect yourself and your child. Get a clue.

I'm not saying he was framed but your argument is as crazy. This is about intent. If Braun intended to work the system and gain an advantage, then circle the wagons, call him a cheater, a fraud and strip him of his MVP. If he was stupid and took some medication to help him with herpes, testicular cancer or fricken Mad Cow Disease then he is not a cheater, and guilty of nothing more than stupidity. There is a huge difference. Ok, he has to serve the suspension because those are the rules but to call him a cheater, fraud or anything else would be just plain wrong!!! Is Stalin your buddy?
What a retarded example as Braun obviously knew he was juicing.  What does Stalin have to do with a run of the mill cheater getting caught?  Hyperbole anyone?  Homers say he is innocent, objective and impartial observers know he cheated.  The dude ois scrawny and has no natural strength, there hasn't been a more obvious cae of juicing since tiny Brady Anderson hit 50 dingers.  Remember, whether he knew he was juiced or not is immaterial, only the fact that hus nimbers came from PEDS (obviously).

The haters are those defending Braun as they hate fairness and level playing fields.  Non-haters see him for what he is - a juicer.



Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: January 21, 2012 5:55 pm
 

Braun to make speech at BBWAA dinner Saturday

"This guy is nothing more than a cheater.  If MLB had any balls, they would take away his MVP award and suspended him for several
months.  What a joke."


Very open minded. Failing a drug test does not necessarily mean intentional cheating. 


MLB having balls has nothing to do with it. They are following the drug program that is part of the agreement with the players and have no right to suspend Braun for more than 50 games for a first offense.   


MLB also has nothing to do with the MVP award, the Baseball Writers Association handles that and they obviously have no desire to get involved in the issue, in no insignificant part because they don't have any information on which to determine if Braun cheated or not.
  
Of course intentional has nothing to do with it as he obviously benefited from the drugs he "didn't know he took" snicker.  Whether Braun knew or not, without the highest levels of testosterone ever, he would have hit .230 with 3 homers.



Since: Mar 5, 2008
Posted on: January 20, 2012 1:29 pm
 

Braun to make speech at BBWAA dinner Saturday

syeely3000 and all other haters on this site... You are so off the mark here I'd swear we live in some communist country. If your company fired you from your job for an abnormal UA, I am under the assumption you would accept it and move on? You know you don't take drugs and never have. You know the ramifications of drug use and you know what you can and can't ingest, right? Well how the hell did you fail the test then? Better yet, what if this was one of your kids? Now you really have questions because you are not in there backpocket every second of the day. You now need more info to protect yourself and your child. Get a clue.

I'm not saying he was framed but your argument is as crazy. This is about intent. If Braun intended to work the system and gain an advantage, then circle the wagons, call him a cheater, a fraud and strip him of his MVP. If he was stupid and took some medication to help him with herpes, testicular cancer or fricken Mad Cow Disease then he is not a cheater, and guilty of nothing more than stupidity. There is a huge difference. Ok, he has to serve the suspension because those are the rules but to call him a cheater, fraud or anything else would be just plain wrong!!! Is Stalin your buddy?



Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: January 19, 2012 8:42 pm
 

Braun to make speech at BBWAA dinner Saturday

I disagree that you are so open-minded. You need to get that Ryan Braun is not some 21 year old rookie. He has been in the majors 5 years, and in professional baseball 7 years. He is well aware of the drug policy in MLB. He and every other ballplayer is well aware that they have to be very careful about what they take. They are all aware that they need to be careful about EVEYTHING they ingest. They are all told about what they should and should not take, and have a hotline to call to be sure. They are aware of the policy, and of the consequences of violation, such as the burden of proof being on them.

You say not every case is like OJ Simpson, but not every case is like Dustin Johnson either. This is not a case where a player got caught up in the moment and made a mistake of the rules of golf. This is not like Braun forgot to tag up on a fly ball, or forgot how many outs there were in a game. Drugs is a much more serious business and a player who violates such a rule, knowingly or not, has to be held accountable on much higher standards.

You seem to imply that perhaps Braun made an error in judgement, or perhaps was framed, or perhaps took a drug he figured would not get him into trouble, as it was prescribed. I cannot buy that at all. He is 28 years old and knew what he was doing. ALL ball players know what they are doing. Ignorance is no excuse.

And yes I feel there is a 99.9% chance that Braun will serve a suspension, and should. If by some small chance he wins the hearing, it will be because of a technicality. And no one should apologize to him for that. He cheated, end of story




Since: Jan 8, 2007
Posted on: January 19, 2012 6:47 pm
 

Braun to make speech at BBWAA dinner Saturday

I will make my decision about how I feel about Braun when the whole story is out.

As you said yourself, Braun can be suspended without being an intentional cheater. 

How do you know Braun was not stupid about this?    Maybe he was taking some medication and could have/should have received a therapeutic use exemption as allowed by the MLB drug policy.  What if it turns out that there was some problem with the testing process?

When the appeal is over I will see what Braun has to say about it. No matter what happens, you have obviously decided that Braun intentionally cheated and that the only way he can win his appeal is on a legal technicality. Do you feel the same way about every person who is charged with a crime and then acquitted? Not every case is like OJ Simpson's.

I'm willing to be more open minded than you are. If it turns out that Braun did try to beat the system, I will declare him a cheater. But, as even you recognize, just being suspended does not necessarily mean that he cheated.  Either way, I'm not going to apologize for waiting for more information before reaching a conclusion.

   




      
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Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: January 19, 2012 6:06 pm
 

Braun to make speech at BBWAA dinner Saturday

mezz31452, I couldn't disagree with you more. The point I was making was that the findings of a jury or a panel do not make a person innocent (or guilty for that matter).

You can say that perhaps the Diamondbacks tainted the results at the time of the test, or paid of the testers off, you can say anything. I can take a picture of him taking an illegal drug, and you would say the photo is phony.

The fact is, Braun failed a drug test. Players know they have to be very careful about what they take. If Braun drank water that was doped, he is the one who has to prove it. He knows that. He knows about the drug policy. As I said in an earlier post, he is either a cheater or stupid. And he is not stupid.

Nobody should have to apologize to him if he is not suspended. He may still be a doper who got off with the help of his lawyers. But let's say he is suspended; will YOU admit he is a cheater? I'm gonna guess no.




Since: Jan 8, 2007
Posted on: January 19, 2012 5:44 pm
 

Braun to make speech at BBWAA dinner Saturday

syeely, your comparison to a criminal trial, where the standard is "guilty beyond a reasonable doubt" and the MLB drug policy, which has a strict liability standard, couldn't be more off target. The way the MLB policy works, Braun would be suspended if he failed the test because someone slipped something into a glass of water and he couldn't prove how it happened. Or, if he got a tainted dose of something that shouldn't result in a positive test, and never has before.

Apparently you don't recognize the distinction between "cheating" which is an intentional violation of a rule, and an innocent violation (like the Dustin Johnson example I mentioned before).


Why can't you and others wait for the appeal to play out, and more facts to be known, before reaching your conclusions? If Braun's appeal is upheld, a lot of people should be apologizing to him, starting with whoever unlawfully leaked the information about the positive test (who should be in trouble anyway). And, all of the people who have assumed that Braun intentionally took PED's to enhance his performance, when that isn't necessarily true even if he is suspended.    



Since: Nov 17, 2011
Posted on: January 19, 2012 5:27 pm
 

Braun to make speech at BBWAA dinner Saturday

if they didn't screw matt kemp out of the award, nobody would care about braun.



Since: Dec 7, 2006
Posted on: January 19, 2012 4:31 pm
 

Braun to make speech at BBWAA dinner Saturday

Let's assume for the moment that the arbitration panel decides in Bruan's favor. That doesn't make him "innocent". He still failed a drug test, we all know that. That's why the hearing is being held, to see if he should face a suspension for it.

Braun will have high priced lawyers defend him, and they will try to show there was a flaw in the testing, or perhaps the drug policy itself. The defense team will try to show that his testosterone level was too unrealistically high, in that it couldn't be trusted. They will show that Braun could not possibly have known that he was taking testosterone. They will show anything and everything to get Braun off, that is their job.

But in the end, Braun DID cheat, knowingly or not he failed the drug test. Even if the panel exonerates him, nobody will apologize to him, or should. He will just have cheated the system too, with his legal team.

Just like with OJ Simpson. He was found not guilty of murder, but that didn't make him "innocent". He still murdered those 2 people, but got off due to his defense team. Braun still failed a drug test; the only question now is if he will be suspended for it. Just because the panel rules in his favor does in no way make him "innocent".

But no major league has successfully appealed a positive drug test. Braun will not be the first.




Since: Jan 8, 2007
Posted on: January 19, 2012 4:09 pm
 

Braun to make speech at BBWAA dinner Saturday

"This guy is nothing more than a cheater.  If MLB had any balls, they would take away his MVP award and suspended him for several
months.  What a joke."


Very open minded. Failing a drug test does not necessarily mean intentional cheating. 


MLB having balls has nothing to do with it. They are following the drug program that is part of the agreement with the players and have no right to suspend Braun for more than 50 games for a first offense.   


MLB also has nothing to do with the MVP award, the Baseball Writers Association handles that and they obviously have no desire to get involved in the issue, in no insignificant part because they don't have any information on which to determine if Braun cheated or not.     


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