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StarCaps: only one Williams will continue fight

Posted on: March 10, 2011 10:40 pm
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Posted by Andy Benoit

Interesting twist in the StarCaps case (yes, it’s still going on):Chip Scoggins of the Star Tribune reports that Pat Williams will continue to fight, taking his latest (anK. Williams (US Presswire)d final) appeal to Minnesota’s Supreme Court. But teammate Kevin Williams is surrendering. The All-Pro defensive tackle is prepared to face a four-game suspension if the NFL indeed goes in that direction.

The last time a court heard this case, Minnesota’s Appeals Court refused to block the NFL’s four-game suspensions of the Williamses because the banned diuretic in the StarCaps (Bumetanide) that was found in the players’ systems does not fall under the state’s workplace drug-testing laws.

This latest twist is interesting because not long ago, Pat Williams was the one saying he’s done fighting. The 38-year-old nose tackle even rationalized that a four-game suspension could help him be fresher come season’s end.

If the Minnesota Supreme Court agrees to hear the StarCaps case, Pat Williams could delay his suspension yet another year while the legal process plays out. The StarCaps issue commenced back in December 2008.

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Peter Ginsberg, the attorney for both Williamses, issued a statement:

“Pat and Kevin have both shown an enormous amount of dedication and frankly courage to continue to pursue this litigation. I understand Kevin’s feelings that he’s just had enough with the lawyers, the courts. There are important principles and protections for NFL players and Minnesota employees at stake. Pat has decided, after much deliberation, to continue. What happened to those two men is unfair and egregious and we remain optimistic that at the end of this process justice will finally win out.”

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Since: Dec 2, 2011
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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 5, 2011 6:58 pm
 

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Since: Dec 1, 2008
Posted on: March 31, 2011 3:55 pm
 

StarCaps: only one Williams will continue fight

Sorry for the delay in replying, this thread got lost among the others I post on.  I'll try to explain this so you will understand, ok? The following statement:

When the two Vikings and two Saints failed the test, the leage had ZERO bans or notifications against the use of starcaps, only against an unlisted ingredient bumetanide.


is completely false.  The league had put out a memo banning all StarCaps products prior to the season when the players were tested.  Even the NFLPA has admitted to this.  The Williams' argument, and the argument in the link you provided, is that the NFL knew that StarCaps contains bumetanide and did not tell the players.

Even if that is true, it doesn't matter. 

They were told not to take StarCaps, they did anyway, and were suspended.  Period.

If they did know, why wouldn't they say so?  We can't know for sure, but there are good reasons.  The NFL has no authority over StarCaps or how they label their products, and had they said StarCaps contained Bumetanide when it really did not, they could have been sued by the manufacturer. 

The NFL likely did what it did to stop the players from taking a dangerous product while proctecting itself from a potentially expensice lawsuit.  The players decided that because they were not told specifically why they could not take starcaps that somehow the rule did not apply to them.





Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: March 15, 2011 10:02 am
 

StarCaps: only one Williams will continue fight

You're right - starcaps isn't an ingredient - it's a company and a product.  The banned ingredient was not listed on the product the Williams' took.  The problem is that all starcaps products were banned also. 


all starcaps products were banned.

try to understand this.

all starcaps products were banned.

did you forget?  Here, I'll say it again.

all starcaps products were banned.



The Williams's lawyers argued that in the memo banning Starcaps there is no mention of the banned ingredient, and that the NFL knew about the ingredient and failed to warn the players.  This was in effect them saying "yeah, you told us not to take the stuff, but you didn't say why so it shouldn't count".  Their argument was shot down, then the Williams's turned to Minnesota labor laws as a means to supercede the contracts they signed and the CBA.  The Minnsota court system has since done everything in it's power to destroy national sports as we know it.
But they weren't when they took them - do you get that?  Starcaps were not banned.   I will repeat it for you.  Starcaps were not banned .  You are embarrasing yourself.  When the two Vikings and two Saints failed the test, the leage had ZERO bans or notifications against the use of starcaps, only against an unlisted ingredient bumetanide.  The whole point is the that the NFL knew that starcaps had bumetanide but didn't tell any one, therefore playing a childish game of "gotcha"  Here is a link.  The banned ingredient was bumetanide.  The league knew it was there, and unlisted, but told no one (the opposite of a ban).  Now please stop this nonsense lie you are perpetuating. Sheesh.

http://www.dailynorseman.com/2008/1

1/19/665302/did-the-nfl-know-starca

ps

Once again in case you hate evidence.  Starcaps were not banned




Since: Dec 1, 2008
Posted on: March 13, 2011 12:55 pm
 

StarCaps: only one Williams will continue fight

Yet, that isn't how it happened.  They were given lists of banned ingredients - Starcaaps, as the court testimony shows, was not on that list.  Stop making stuff up.



You're right - starcaps isn't an ingredient - it's a company and a product.  The banned ingredient was not listed on the product the Williams' took.  The problem is that all starcaps products were banned also. 


all starcaps products were banned.

try to understand this.

all starcaps products were banned.

did you forget?  Here, I'll say it again.

all starcaps products were banned.



The Williams's lawyers argued that in the memo banning Starcaps there is no mention of the banned ingredient, and that the NFL knew about the ingredient and failed to warn the players.  This was in effect them saying "yeah, you told us not to take the stuff, but you didn't say why so it shouldn't count".  Their argument was shot down, then the Williams's turned to Minnesota labor laws as a means to supercede the contracts they signed and the CBA.  The Minnsota court system has since done everything in it's power to destroy national sports as we know it.



Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: March 13, 2011 3:10 am
 

StarCaps: only one Williams will continue fight

Not true.  They were told (as was everyone else) not to take StarCAPS products.  The Williams's argument was that because they were not told why , they should not have been suspended.
Yet, that isn't how it happened.  They were given lists of banned ingredients - Starcaaps, as the court testimony shows, was not on that list.  Stop making stuff up.



Since: Aug 19, 2006
Posted on: March 11, 2011 9:51 pm
 

StarCaps: only one Williams will continue fight

Don`t care. Go bust your pathetic head wide open on some other psychopath`s melon....or not. We`ve had enough of the grandstanding and greed...



Since: Dec 1, 2008
Posted on: March 11, 2011 6:43 pm
 

StarCaps: only one Williams will continue fight


Yes, even though they knew what substances are banned, that doesn't help you one bit when said ingredients aren't listed.  That is what happened, they took a pill NOT banned, but it contained an unlisted substance that WAS banned.  It is black and white alright, there should be no punishment.



Not true.  They were told (as was everyone else) not to take StarCAPS products.  The Williams's argument was that because they were not told why , they should not have been suspended.


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