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Ex-Bucs QB King takes shot at Gruden's eval skill

Posted on: April 19, 2011 1:06 pm
Edited on: April 19, 2011 4:10 pm
Posted by Will Brinson

Jon Gruden is known as an "NFL Draft quarterback expert" of sorts. This is partially because he helped the Oakland offense become historically awesome, partially because he won a Super Bowl with Brad Johnson, and mostly because ESPN is marketing him as THIS GUY WHO KNOWS ABOUT YOUNG QUARTERBACKS, whether you like it or not.

One of his former "students," Shaun King apparently takes umbrage to this designation, too, and called Chucky out on The King David Show on WQYK-AM 1010 (via Joe Bucs Fan).

"I won’t watch [Gruden's quarterback camps]," King said. "I disagree with the premise of the show. The premise is that Gruden is some kind of quarterbacks guru and that having him as a destination for a rookie QB is the ideal situation for a rookie and that just hasn’t proven to the case."

Fortunately, just a short time after King ripped Gruden's development of young signal callers, Gruden was on a conference call with the media relating to his draft evaluation. And Gregg Rosenthal of Pro Football Talk was kind enough to ask about King's comments.

"I did fail miserably in developing Shaun King and I’m sorry he'll miss our show," Gruden responded.

Now that's just a funny burn, so props to Gruden for a) taking the question in stride and b) having a hysterical response ready.

Speaking of QB evaluations, our Chad Reuter talks Draft Risers/Fallers

Unfortunately, King's technically accurate -- the list of young quarterbacks that worked under Gruden isn't exactly a list of who's who in terms of successful guys in the NFL.

While with the Bucs, Gruden drafted Chris Simms (third round), Bruce Gradkowski (sixth round), and Josh Johnson (fifth round) and traded for fourth-rounder Luke McCown. While with the Raiders, Gruden picked up Marques Tuiasosopo (second round).

None of those guys have turned out to be anything remotely above average in the NFL (though Gradkowski, somewhat ironically, started for the Raiders).

Having pointed that out, Gruden's never tried his hand with a first-round talent, and he's obviously had plenty of success with veteran quarterbacks in the NFL. He did win a Super Bowl, after all; and one in which he beat the team he basically constructed, no less.

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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: January 8, 2012 9:04 am

Ex-Bucs QB King takes shot at Gruden's eval skill

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Since: Sep 7, 2007
Posted on: April 20, 2011 12:14 pm

Ex-Bucs QB King takes shot at Gruden's eval skill

The party never ends. They're never seems to be an end to opinons that are baseless & often times irrelevant to the article written. In this case its both & the article itself is pointless. Where to begin?  Who cares about Shaun King!  (complete stiff) What's the point of the article anyway? (King) has an issue with Gruden? The show isn't about the development of young qb's specifically, its about playing the position, the demands of the job. (they sucess rate of 1st round QBs is less then 20%) As for Grudens track record check Oaklands record excluding the AFC championship team (Gruden built) --  The Bucs dealt 3 picks to get Gruden. They won &am
p; paid the price. BTW see Rich Gannon for the best example of Jon Gruden ability, a 10 year journyman turned all pro & mvp ('00-02)I dont love Gruden by any stretch, but I do respect him. (Monday Night Football aside)

Since: Oct 6, 2006
Posted on: April 20, 2011 11:52 am

Ex-Bucs QB King takes shot at Gruden's eval skill

Shaun King sucked and was never destined to be good anyway, no matter how much teaching and from whom.

Since: May 22, 2007
Posted on: April 20, 2011 7:58 am

Ex-Bucs QB King takes shot at Gruden's eval skill

Jon Gruden certainly knows a lot about football, and I have caught his QB show on occasion. all the things said about him taking Rich Gannon and Brad Johnson and making them better QBs is true. For this reason, he could be considered a guru, and he did take Brian Griese and Jeff Garcia and made them both successful in his offense. So, was it the offense, or was it his tutiledge that made those QBs better. Probably, a little of both...I'm not sure if Shaun King not watching Gruden's show is big news. One thing I do know is that Gruden never took a young rookie QB and made him into a star.

Since: Sep 6, 2010
Posted on: April 20, 2011 6:40 am

Ex-Bucs QB King takes shot at Gruden's eval skill

very true

Since: Oct 5, 2006
Posted on: April 20, 2011 1:32 am

Ex-Bucs QB King takes shot at Gruden's eval skill

Being a QB Guru doesnt mean that he has to take young or rookie QBs into top talent or anything close. Gruden takes Veteran QBs & make them better & makes them winners. Rich Gannon was a a crap QB before he got with Gruden. Gannon played for 11 years before he went to the Raiders. Gannons highest stats in those 11 season was 2305 yds, 16 TDs & he was almost throwing as mant INTs as he did TDs. The he got with Gruden & suddenly he is avg 3900 yards, 26 TDs & 11 INTs over he next 4 seasons with the Raiders. That 4th season can be counted because Gannon played with Bill Callahan who was Grudens OC & used pretty much the same format as Grudden did. Brad Johnson was a serviceable QB but not a good leader. With Dungy, Johnson had 13 TDs to 11 INTs. Gruden comes in & makes Brad Johnson a leader & the guy is suddenly throwing 22+ TDs & wins a Superbowl. You can say that it was Dungy's team but Gruden did bring in more players, changed the offensive format & made Johnson a better leader & got over the hump & won a Superbowl. Gruden takes veteran QBs that are unwanted by most teams & made them  better players, better leaders & winners....Thats why he is called a QB Guru. He had Brian Griese look great in 2004 in the 11 games Griese played. Even Jeff Garcia look rejuvenated in Tampa (when he was healthy)

Since: Aug 11, 2006
Posted on: April 19, 2011 10:13 pm

Ex-Bucs QB King takes shot at Gruden's eval skill

 "Any coach should be able to take a first round pick and make him a star"

You can not be serious! are you? Have you seen all the bust qbs drafted in the 1st round? The list is very, very long. I recommend you look at the archives of draft history and tell me what you see.

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