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Fisher says good things about Vince Young?!?

Posted on: May 11, 2011 10:03 am
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Posted by Josh Katzowitz

Wait a minute, has the world gone mad? Are dogs and cats, as Bill Murray once suggested, living together? Are we at Armageddon?

Vince's saga
Because if there’s one thing I didn’t expect to read this morning was former Titans coach Jeff Fisher praising QB Vince Young. Yes, you read that correctly. Fisher praised Young.

“Vince has won a lot of games; he’s led teams to the playoffs before,” Fisher told the NFL Network (via NFL.com). ”I believe he can (win in the NFL). It’s just a matter of him finding a place that suits him and be in the right place and work hard. But he certainly has that ability.”

Crazy, right? See this is the kind of thing I’d expect Fisher to say after days of oxygen deprivation while he’s trekking up Mount Kilimanjero. But no, he hasn’t started climbing yet. So I guess he must really mean it. Either that, or it’s the end of days.

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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: January 8, 2012 8:33 pm
 

Fisher says good things about Vince Young?!?

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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 3, 2011 12:53 pm
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Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: May 17, 2011 1:06 am
 

Fisher says good things about Vince Young?!?

In 2006 14 QB's threw for over 3000 yards, in 2007 the number went up to 15, in 2008 it went up to 17, in 2009 it went up to 19 and in 2010, 22 different QB's threw for over 3000 yards.  I point this out b/c when well over half of the leagues starting QB's are doing it I don't see how 3000 yards can be considered "big numbers".  Wouldn't they just be "average" numbers?  However this debate was about VY and you have yet to sell me on why the Titans would want to keep him.  In a league that has become pass happy and the best teams seem to be QB driven why hang on to a guy that is average at best? 




Since: Dec 9, 2008
Posted on: May 16, 2011 9:42 am
 

Fisher says good things about Vince Young?!?

Being outplayed in the stat sheet is a completly different thing then being outplayed on the field. Romo and Palmer put up big numbers all the time. And fyi, big numbers is not how good a players quarterback rating is. It's about how many yards, touchdowns, completions etc. Rating is a measure of effeciency. So when I say Palmer put up big numbers, I means that in 5 of the past 6 years Carson Palmer has eclipsed 3,000 with the exception being the year he only played 4 games. In fact in four of the past six seasons Palmer has thrown for over 3,800 yards. He also has thrown over 20 touchdowns 5 of the past 6 years. Those are big numbers my friend. I never once said Palmer was an elite quarterback. But statiscally Palmer holds his own, which obviously means nothing in terms of playoff success, though you seem to think so. 



Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: May 16, 2011 1:31 am
 

Fisher says good things about Vince Young?!?

Ok wait, at what point could the Titans trust Vince "deep into the fourth quarter"?  Did you the Pittsburgh game last year?  Dude couldn't be trusted deep into the first quarter in that game.  As far as pointing out the playoff wins for the other 3 QB's my point was he was outplayed (badly) by guys that aren't exactly elite QB's and if "they" aren't winning playoff games then how deep into the playoffs do you think Vince is going to get you?  You may wanna check your stats before you say someone like Palmer always produce big numbers b/c in his career Palmer has only had 2 seasons with a QB rating over 90.  With the exception of 2005 and MAYBE 2006, Palmer has been a middle of the road QB.  He will win you some games but can't get his team over the hump against the elite ones and you would be hard pressed to find anyone that would say Vince is a better QB than Palmer.  The question then becomes why keep a guy that clearly isn't going to be an elite QB, pouts when things don't go his way and has a questionable (at best) work ethic?  Why not just cut ties and try to find someone that can be elite?  For me 8-8 or 9-7 every year isn't good enough but to each his own, I guess.



Since: Dec 9, 2008
Posted on: May 13, 2011 3:28 am
 

Fisher says good things about Vince Young?!?

Obviously your record is going to be lower against playoff teams. I would rather see 5-10 against playoff teams than 5-10 against non-playoff teams. And I did like how you critized my arguement, then tailored your arguement when it had plenty of holes itself. Like what does the combined playoff wins of Romo, Palmer, and Quinn have to do with stats? Palmer and Romo always produce big numbers and they've generally played for high powered offenses. And Quinn and Young are two totally different quarterbacks so to compare their success against one oppenant would be ludacris. Quinn hasn't had much success in the NFL but he has shown like in this chargers game that he has the ability to put up numbers. I'm not saying Vince was an elite quarterback but he defintely competed when he was out there and he was someone the titans could trust deep into the fourth quarter when the game was on the line. Thats something stats won't tell. You'd have to actually have a working knowledge on how the games played.



Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: May 13, 2011 2:46 am
 

Fisher says good things about Vince Young?!?

The problem with the 30-17 stat is that it doesn't tell the whole story.  Like that he is 5-10 in his career against teams that made the playoffs during that season or that when he took over for Collins in 09 and "saved Fishers job" by going 8-2 that 7 of those wins were against non playoff teams and the one win vs a playoff team was against Arizona who started Matt Leinhart that day b/c Kurt Warner was hurt.  His 2 losses during that span?  The Colts and Chargers the only 2 playoff caliber teams that he faced that year.  Want more?  My next point sums up why you can't just look at a QB's record and say "hey he wins" without digging a little deeper.  Christmas day 2009, Vince has led the Titans back from an 0-6 start and they are now 7-7 with a chance at the playoffs as long as they win at home that day vs the Chargers.  Vince goes 8-21 for 89yds and 2int's.  This was against a San Diego team that had given up an average of 275 yards passing and a total of 7 passing TD's and 0 Int's the three weeks leading up to this game.  The three QB's that did it? Carson Palmer, Tony Romo and Brady Quinn.....a combined 1 playoff win between those 3!!  Brady Quinn threw for 275yds and 3td's against San Diego just 3 weeks prior to vince laying his egg!!  BRADY effin QUINN!!!



Since: Mar 26, 2007
Posted on: May 12, 2011 11:37 am
 

Fisher says good things about Vince Young?!?

You forgot Philip Rivers as a current crop and how do you not include Dan Marino?

 



Since: Sep 28, 2010
Posted on: May 12, 2011 9:34 am
 

Fisher says good things about Vince Young?!?

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Since: Dec 9, 2008
Posted on: May 12, 2011 9:14 am
 

Fisher says good things about Vince Young?!?

Vince Young wins just as much as any quarterback in the league. He doesn't put up gaudy like numbers but he gets the job done. They were 30-17 with him and 15-18 without him. I think thats says a lot about the impact he's had there for the past five years. He is immature off the field but he defintely has the talent and the leadership on the field. It's not crazy for Jeff Fisher to say that. Vince Young was a headache I'm sure but he's the reason Fisher has survived the past five years.


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