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NFL Films' Cosell gives Pryor 'late round' grade

Posted on: June 13, 2011 9:33 pm
Edited on: June 13, 2011 11:10 pm
 
Posted by Ryan Wilson

We have talked more today about a player who last appeared in an NFL game two years ago, and another who has yet to do so, than we have about current NFL news. That's because it's June, we're in the middle of a lockout, and there's not much else going on.

But even if this was Week 8 of the regular season, the unfolding Terrelle Pryor saga is worth following. It's got a little bit of everything: lies, duplicity and what sounds like misguided hopes for the future.

Last week, Pryor left Ohio State and an ever-growing scandal in his rearview mirror, presumably with designs on making himself available to NFL teams through the supplemental draft. One problem: Pryor isn't considered much of a prospect, though he seems to think enough of his talents that he kindly told the CFL's Saskatchewan Roughriders thanks but no thanks after they extended him an offer.

Now Pryor has hired super agent Drew Rosenhaus, who isn't in the habit of representing schlubs on the fringes of professional football.

There are also rumors that Pryor hopes to get Fired Football Coaches Association founder Jon Gruden to serve as his quarterbacks coach in the coming weeks.

In April, Gruden spoke at the Ohio State coaches clinic where he first met Pryor, and when he was asked if he thought Pryor is an NFL prospect, he said, "Yeah, I do -- I really do," according to the Columbus Dispatch. "Again, I'm accused of liking too many people. 'Gruden likes everybody.' Well, sorry about that. (But) Bill Walsh used to say, 'Don't tell me what this guy can't do. Tell me what he can do."

All respect to Walsh, one of the great offensive minds in NFL history, but remember this: Walsh was a big fan of Trent Edwards coming out of Stanford. We guess all anyone ever told him was that Edwards excelled at throwing the checkdown pass. That's an example of when more information would have been useful.

"And I tell you, Terrelle Pryor can run and he can throw," Gruden continued. "And he's a helluva competitor. And if I coached him, I'd find something for him to do. You might have to cater your offense to a degree towards his strengths. But I think this guy can develop his passing the more you pass the ball. And I think the guy is a unique, rare talent."

That doesn't seem to be the consensus. In fact, NFL Films' Greg Cosell, who watches as much game tape as most coaches, took to Twitter to evaluate Pryor's NFL prospects.

For your education, in chronological order:
  • "I watched 2 games of Pryor, 7-8 of the other QB in draft. Based on those 2 games, Pryor a late round pick at best." - June 8 
  • "Finished 4 game study of Pryor: Miami, Wisconsin, Iowa and Arkansas in bowl game. A developmental project. No NFL QB traits at this point." - June 9
  • More Pryor: Those who equate body athleticism to QB skills + tools will see positives. Those who see NFL QB as a craft will not see much." - June 10 
  • "More Pryor: Many issues that need major work. 2 are average arm strength + erratic accuracy. Little velocity. Can't drive ball. Poor passer." - June 10 
  • "More Pryor: For those who equate athleticism with QB he's a draftable player. I evaluated him w/late round/free agent grade. No NFL skills." - June 10 
And for those quick to compare Pryor to Cam Newton, there's one huge difference:
  • "Major difference between Pryor + Newton is Newton can throw. Big arm, drives the ball. Newton can make NFL throws, Pryor at this point can't." - June 10 
While it might be hard to make out, there is a silver lining. Again, via Cosell: "Pryor's advantage in supp. draft is no expectations. Can be a #3 QB + perhaps develop over time. Still a major question but ideal situation."

But here's the rub: you'll never read "no expectations" on the scouting report of high-round draft picks. In fact, it's how you end up with the late round/free agent grade Cosell gave Pryor. 

Of course, Rosenhaus' job is to sell his client. Or, at the very least, have that be the perception. If Pryor ends up going in the fifth round of the supplemental draft, Rosenhaus will declare it a victory. In terms of PR, he's probably right. Just something to remember, though: Former Ohio State running back Maurice Clarett sat out a season before entering the draft. The Broncos eventually took him in the third round, and he didn't make it out of training camp.

The expectations will be much higher for Pryor, and the scrutiny will be even more intense.

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Comments

Since: Mar 6, 2009
Posted on: June 14, 2011 5:09 am
 

NFL Films' Cosell gives Pryor 'late round' grade

who repeats in the NFL?? You cant say he got to the superbowl with dungys player when dungy didnt get to the superbowl himself. Jon gruden is a great coach he may have a big mouth when on TV but he knows a thing or two about QB's.



Since: Aug 7, 2008
Posted on: June 14, 2011 3:11 am
 

NFL Films' Cosell gives Pryor 'late round' grade

Jon Gruden is overrated! He won the Super Bowl with Tony Dungy's players and system. Did he repeat the following year? No, not even close! Gruden is very overrated as an offensive genius and capable coach. If he was so good then why hasn't he become head coach in the NFL again? The simple asnwer is that he is just not that good. 



Since: Sep 4, 2006
Posted on: June 14, 2011 2:49 am
 

NFL Films' Cosell gives Pryor 'late round' grade

QB...doubtful. But if his ego doesn't ruin the rest of his life he might be a great receiver. Try salesman



Since: Mar 20, 2008
Posted on: June 14, 2011 2:03 am
 

NFL Films' Cosell gives Pryor 'late round' grade

Getting him with a 5th rounder would be an adequate risk/reward gamble in my opinion. If my team has 2 5th rounders in '12, I'd bid on him with no reservations. And I can't stand him OR ohio state. I just don't see how he can be any worse of a prospect than what a team typically gets in the 5th round of the draft. In the end, I think somebody will put a 4 or a 5 on him and he will end up failing out in less than 5 years. Since that's true of 90% of 5th round picks though, I say it's worth the risk. I just hope my Redskins aren't the ones that take it. We already have one Haynesworth! haha



Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: June 14, 2011 1:22 am
 

I think you're wrong

Basically every scouting report states he has above average arm strength, a quick release and the ability to make every NFL throw.  The tools are there...what I'm saying is....let's not act like he's hopeless here.  He's probably not the kind of guy you want to rely on as a starter (because of the mental aspect) but he's the kind of second stringer that you could throw in to the fire and potentially get a huge impact.

He looks to have the exact same little flip release that Vince Young had...I really just don't see that much difference, physically at least.  I think you're relying on a few ugly passes that he made...scouts see past alot of correctable mistakes.

Point--as a supplemental pick..he is a steal.



Since: Nov 27, 2007
Posted on: June 14, 2011 12:29 am
 

NFL Films' Cosell gives Pryor 'late round' grade

Worst case scenario if you take him, you have a 6'4" (?) wide receiver/TE prospect.  Kid has some wheels.  He just has to be humble enough to do whatever it takes to get on the field.  We'll see what kind of ego he really has now that the world has stopped revolving around him.



Since: Apr 15, 2007
Posted on: June 13, 2011 11:26 pm
 

NFL Films' Cosell gives Pryor 'late round' grade

He's extremely athletic -quite probably even more-so than Young or Newton- and a better-than-most-OSU-fans-think college QB.....but I have a very, very hard time imagining that he'll ever be able to earn a starting QB job in the NFL.



Since: Jan 27, 2008
Posted on: June 13, 2011 11:15 pm
 

NFL Films' Cosell gives Pryor 'late round' grade

I meant cant get the 15yd out completed



Since: Jan 27, 2008
Posted on: June 13, 2011 11:14 pm
 

NFL Films' Cosell gives Pryor 'late round' grade

He isnt close to Vince Young.  Watch pryor closely he can step into a throw and get the 15yd out completed.



Since: Sep 7, 2006
Posted on: June 13, 2011 11:08 pm
 

Pryor

He's a clone of Vince Young...I don't see why he grades that low.  Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to pick him...but teams have gambled on much riskier picks.  At least he has upside.


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