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Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

Posted on: June 15, 2011 11:20 am
Edited on: June 15, 2011 11:34 am
 
Posted by Josh Katzowitz

On Tuesday, a new sense of optimism invaded the NFL world, especially after CBSSports.com’s own Mike Freeman reported that labor negotiations were 80-85 percent complete and that it would be difficult for either side to screw up the progress (naturally, I followed up with a post about how the talks COULD be screwed up).

Today, though, there have been tweets here and there dispelling some of the enthusiasm that a new CBA could be forthcoming soon (an example from NFL spokesman Greg Aiello: “As late, legendary George Young said: ‘There is no such thing as close. It’s either done or it isn’t.’”)

And now ESPN.com’s Adam Schefter is reporting that talks almost blew up Tuesday, and not surprisingly, the incident occurred after the lawyers were let back into the negotiations – ahem, that was No. 1 on my list of reasons that could derail the negotiations.

From Schefter:

How close it did (come to blowing up) is a matter of opinion. But what is factual is that the moment came shortly after lawyers from both sides were brought back into the process. As tensions rose and anger grew, two sources said NFL Players Association leader DeMaurice Smith instructed his lawyers to "stand down."

With the lawyers removed from the direct negotiations, the process was said to get back on track and to a good spot. The incident is an example of just how tenuous these talks can be and how quickly they can be derailed.

But it also is the ultimate proof that (DeMaurice) Smith and his players, and NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and the owners have taken the process out of the hands of the attorneys and demanded that they control it as the two sides try to hammer out a collective bargaining agreement.


If Tuesday was an overly-optimistic day, then today’s news is a bit of a slap in the face. But the two sides are talking – and really, since nobody is talking on the record, it’s hard to know exactly what is going on – and that’s always a good sign.

Now, if they could just keep the lawyers out of the room.

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Comments

Since: Oct 22, 2007
Posted on: June 15, 2011 2:30 pm
 

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

kaehlaone, I agree it's reasonable for the owners to expect to turn a profit from their business, but to say the players don't risk anything is crazy talk. Everytime they step onto the field, they risk their safety and ability to continue making a living as a football player. The owners take financial risks in owning and running a football team, the players take financial and physical risks in playing football.


 
There is no way that any business should pay a higher percentage of their revenues to their employees than they keep for themselves. That is basic business and is ridiculous.



Well, then....."basic business" is the reason the gap between the rich and poor is at a record high and continuing to grow while the middle class disappears. I think it's time to start working on new business models. Ridiculous is when you have 1 person getting more than 1000 people combined, who are working just as hard or harder than the 1.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: June 15, 2011 2:23 pm
 

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

USMEAGLE, this is not a matter of "screw the little guy", this is a matter of any for-profit business model. I'm an accountant and I'm willing to bet you aren't but I'll fill you in on the issue here. A key branch of accounting is cost accounting, which is centered around remaining profitable while managing the costs that a business occurrs in everyday operations.  Simply put, employees AKA the players deserve a fair salary, but considering 50-60% of a team's revenue is going to the players already on average that leaves little room for the other massive overhead costs like field maintenance, equipment purchases, advertising, etc. The NFL is a big business but the alleged giant profits that the owners are accused of hiding is probably not as big as the players would like everybody to think. That being said, I hope a deal does get done because I don't like to think about the possibility of missing football.

Can you back up you ridiculous assumptions about this cash cow multi billion dollar league and the profits it generates(or lack there of) or should we just take your word about it because you have a degree that millions of other people have? 



Since: Oct 29, 2006
Posted on: June 15, 2011 2:14 pm
 

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

USMEAGLE, this is not a matter of "screw the little guy", this is a matter of any for-profit business model. I'm an accountant and I'm willing to bet you aren't but I'll fill you in on the issue here. A key branch of accounting is cost accounting, which is centered around remaining profitable while managing the costs that a business occurrs in everyday operations.  Simply put, employees AKA the players deserve a fair salary, but considering 50-60% of a team's revenue is going to the players already on average that leaves little room for the other massive overhead costs like field maintenance, equipment purchases, advertising, etc. The NFL is a big business but the alleged giant profits that the owners are accused of hiding is probably not as big as the players would like everybody to think. That being said, I hope a deal does get done because I don't like to think about the possibility of missing football.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: June 15, 2011 2:14 pm
 

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

You do realize that the CBA will cover all future entrants to the draft as well don't you?

NO. He doesnt. He doesnt realize anything. Thats pretty obvious... 



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: June 15, 2011 2:12 pm
 

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

So, from your comment, you sound like you think that the person taking all the financial risk shouldn't make money on their investment. That is what annoys me about business versus labor...labor always has the argument that they do all the work yet they don't take the risks involved in business.  If they don't like it then go find a different job.  I am so tired of how the "poor" players are getting screwed.  There is no way that any business should pay a higher percentage of their revenues to their employees than they keep for themselves. That is basic business and is ridiculous.


Stop talking about pro athletes like ALL they are is labor. Yes they are labor BUT they are also the product. People love to compare NFL players to Walmart cashiers, or garbage men, or other unskilled positions. Compare them to movie stars and other people who GENERATE money for their business instead of COSTING them money. When was the last time you paid $100 a ticket to watch a Walmart cashier do his job? Hell, when was the last time you paid $100 ticket to watch a billionaire NFL owner count his money. You pay for the product, which in this case, also happens to be the labor. For that reason, its not as simple as you make it out to be. Its not anything close to a standard employer employee relationship.



Since: Jan 7, 2008
Posted on: June 15, 2011 2:11 pm
 

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

I believe you are right.

I wonder if the owners are salivating at the thought of DuhMaurice silencing the rest of the lawyers. You KNOW the owners have their high-proced lawyers advising at every turn. So if DuhMaurice shoo's away his team of lawyers and chooses to negotiate with 32 owners who are accustomed to negotiating huge business deals, i wonder what the players can expect...

DuhMaurice is in trouble. He is going to screw the players and get fired as chief counsel OR he will fail to produce a deal and get fired by the players.



Since: Mar 25, 2009
Posted on: June 15, 2011 2:10 pm
 

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

So, from your comment, you sound like you think that the person taking all the financial risk shouldn't make money on their investment. That is what annoys me about business versus labor...labor always has the argument that they do all the work yet they don't take the risks involved in business.  If they don't like it then go find a different job.  I am so tired of how the "poor" players are getting screwed.  There is no way that any business should pay a higher percentage of their revenues to their employees than they keep for themselves. That is basic business and is ridiculous.

every bit of that made no sense when directed at my comment, obviously you missed the part where i said, "the owners deserve a fair profit margin" i am a business owner of a chemical factory in mississippi, and our company wouldnt be here if it wasnt for our employees, so they are paid a fair wage, and we make a fair profit, were not trying to get rich while our employees suffer from low wages and a poor quality of life, but unlike the nfl, we dont have profit margins in the BILLIONS, the nfl is about as much of a financial "risk" as owning a hockey team in canada



Since: Apr 18, 2007
Posted on: June 15, 2011 2:07 pm
 

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

The union has made it very clear to us the average NFL career is only around 4 years yet for some odd reason they want to make us believe the NFL can't survive without THESE PARTICULAR NFL PLAYERS....  odd, isn't it?

You do realize that the CBA will cover all future entrants to the draft as well don't you?  So not only none of these particular NFL players but also none of the quality players coming out of college for the next 10 years?  You want to watch that product?

We as fans have supported the league to unprecedented heights.  The league brags that they have the best product; the best marketing; the best TV contract; the best revenues....yet now that the money is on the table they tell us that they're poor?  Can't afford to offer the same contract to the players that brought the league to unprecedented heights?  And you believe this?  The players came to the table looking for the same contract as the one that expired.  The owners came to the table with a contract that included a cut in pay and additional games to be played.  The owners are pissing on our legs and telling us it's the players fault.  I wish there were a viable league in competition to the NFL because given a choice I'm watching the better product.

I pose this question.  On Saturdays do you choose to watch SEC, Big 10 and Big 12 games or do you watch Sun Belt and Conference USA games?  Think about that question and tell me that quality of players doesn't matter.  The players are the only thing that matters; it's your nostalgia of players past and hope for players future that get you through your team's tough years.  And if there is no hope for exciting players future then to quote your made up statistics 90% of you wouldn't watch at all.  If you think you would tell me how that Florida Atlantic vs Western Kentucky game turned out.




Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: June 15, 2011 2:05 pm
 

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

Of course players can be replaced.... it happens every single season without exception.  Players come and go,,, superstars and franchise players retire or take lesser roles... but the fans keep watching and keep paying because in the end the fans are huge supporters of their favourite team and not the players.  The union has made it very clear to us the average NFL career is only around 4 years yet for some odd reason they want to make us believe the NFL can't survive without THESE PARTICULAR NFL PLAYERS....  odd, isn't it?


Not all of us are dumb enough to pay top dollar for an inferior product. Just because you dont require the best players in the world, doesnt mean the rest of us dont. I would not spend a dime to watch 2nd tier football players or washed up ex-stars replace the best players in the world...  You are ion the minority if you think the owners AS OPPOSED TO THE PLAYERS is the glue that keeps this league in-tact. The word naive comes to mind when I read your post...   




Since: Nov 27, 2006
Posted on: June 15, 2011 2:01 pm
 

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

So, from your comment, you sound like you think that the person taking all the financial risk shouldn't make money on their investment. That is what annoys me about business versus labor...labor always has the argument that they do all the work yet they don't take the risks involved in business.  If they don't like it then go find a different job.  I am so tired of how the "poor" players are getting screwed.  There is no way that any business should pay a higher percentage of their revenues to their employees than they keep for themselves. That is basic business and is ridiculous.


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