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Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

Posted on: June 15, 2011 11:20 am
Edited on: June 15, 2011 11:34 am
Posted by Josh Katzowitz

On Tuesday, a new sense of optimism invaded the NFL world, especially after’s own Mike Freeman reported that labor negotiations were 80-85 percent complete and that it would be difficult for either side to screw up the progress (naturally, I followed up with a post about how the talks COULD be screwed up).

Today, though, there have been tweets here and there dispelling some of the enthusiasm that a new CBA could be forthcoming soon (an example from NFL spokesman Greg Aiello: “As late, legendary George Young said: ‘There is no such thing as close. It’s either done or it isn’t.’”)

And now’s Adam Schefter is reporting that talks almost blew up Tuesday, and not surprisingly, the incident occurred after the lawyers were let back into the negotiations – ahem, that was No. 1 on my list of reasons that could derail the negotiations.

From Schefter:

How close it did (come to blowing up) is a matter of opinion. But what is factual is that the moment came shortly after lawyers from both sides were brought back into the process. As tensions rose and anger grew, two sources said NFL Players Association leader DeMaurice Smith instructed his lawyers to "stand down."

With the lawyers removed from the direct negotiations, the process was said to get back on track and to a good spot. The incident is an example of just how tenuous these talks can be and how quickly they can be derailed.

But it also is the ultimate proof that (DeMaurice) Smith and his players, and NFL commissioner Roger Goodell and the owners have taken the process out of the hands of the attorneys and demanded that they control it as the two sides try to hammer out a collective bargaining agreement.

If Tuesday was an overly-optimistic day, then today’s news is a bit of a slap in the face. But the two sides are talking – and really, since nobody is talking on the record, it’s hard to know exactly what is going on – and that’s always a good sign.

Now, if they could just keep the lawyers out of the room.

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Since: Oct 19, 2006
Posted on: June 15, 2011 12:17 pm

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

Yes, keep the lawyers out. The more wrangling, the bigger bill they can submit. Hopefully the Owners and Players can come to an agreement. Once done, the lawyers just need be the errand boys to finalize it.

Since: May 31, 2007
Posted on: June 15, 2011 12:10 pm

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

This should surprise nobody, really.

The owners and players want to get this worked out.  The lawyers want it to go on as long as possible for several reasons.  The first being that they get paid by the hour, and will continue to get paid until it's over.  The second being the fame (at least among law circles) that could come from having their names on precedent-setting legal actions if this whole court issue could be dragged out to it's ultimate and final conclusion (which would be cut short if the two sides reach an agreement).  It only makes sense that the lawyers want to play hard-ball and make the courts make the decisions... that's their arena and claim to fame and fortune.  It was a mistake for either side to let them have control in the first place.

The one good thing that will come of the lawyers:  it gives both sides a common enemy to blame, so they can deflect their built-up anger towards each other.  Not that the various insults and arguments between players and owners were the fault of the lawyers... but they presented themselves as an easy target to blame now anyway, so that both sides can put the anger behind them when the season starts.

Since: Jan 24, 2007
Posted on: June 15, 2011 12:10 pm

Smith is a Lawyer and UNION Head

As stated,do not let idiot Smith in the room except to say deal is done. The players union and it IS a union needs to make a deal-time to lower salaries,rookie cap and scale and REDUCE ticket and concession prices. PLayers are replacable as is the NFL. Bring on college games-SEC,Big Ten.Pac10,etc on Sunday. GREED on both sides has made me sick of the NFL. 

Since: May 9, 2011
Posted on: June 15, 2011 12:03 pm

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

First we're attacking the workers, now the lawyers, who's next? Actually they tried replacing the players once, how did that go? It didn't - Actually the players don't have to take less, they just have to take what's fair, same with the owners, however, if you were in the negotiating room, no deal would be done, because you;ve taken a side, part of the problem when one is negotaiting is being able not to dig in, and make concessions to do a deal..Just saying...JC  

Since: Oct 26, 2006
Posted on: June 15, 2011 12:00 pm

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

Lawyers are proof that women can get pregnant via annal sex!!!

Since: Oct 2, 2006
Posted on: June 15, 2011 11:59 am

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

As far agreement goes - Kurt Warner said what EVERYONE WITH COMMON SENSE knows, and that is, the players are going to have to agree, because THEY CAN BE REPLACED

That is a fact. And it's a lesson the players have failed to learn every time there is a players' strike, or in this case, a lockout. Billionaire owners can outlast millionaire players every time. The players can't stand to miss more than a few paychecks, so they come crawling back. you'd think sooner or later, the players would realize this and there would be no more work stoppages.

I don't feel sorry for either side. In this economy, seeing as how I'm going to lose my house that I've lived in for 48 years to taxes, plus not knowing where I'm going to live from here on out, I couldn't care less about greedy owners or greedy players. They have NOTHING so crucial to worry about.

Since: Mar 19, 2008
Posted on: June 15, 2011 11:53 am

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

Lawyers = Bane of Society. Unfortunately, to put a final agreement in place, they need the lawyers to write it up and verify it jives with all labor laws and regs, etc....

Since: Jun 17, 2007
Posted on: June 15, 2011 11:47 am

Report: CBA... (does this really surprise any1?)

1)  Lawyers are used to resolve problems in a court of law.  If everyone manned-up, whenever possible, and were able to settle their strife without the law, lawyers wouldn't be driving around BMWs at the expense of the integrity and well-being of the general populace.  (you know, whenever a company pays out big bucks to a lawsuit, if you have any common sense, you understand that the CONSUMER and/or EMPLOYEES will pay the loss).

2)  Agents are the same situation.  When they rip a team off for a fat contract, they are getting a percentage of the "rippage".  Hence, they are going to lie, cheat, and say anything to get their player signed.

3)  As far agreement goes - Kurt Warner said what EVERYONE WITH COMMON SENSE knows, and that is, the players are going to have to agree, because THEY CAN BE REPLACED. Owners are owners - they provide the money, the stadium, and everything else. All they would have to replace is the players, and last I checked, there are PLENTY of those around. The players are replaceable, the owners are not. the easy math and you have to realize that what Kurt Warner said is what anyone with common sense already knows.  That's why the players tried to seek unconstitutional legal means as a way to stop the Lockout. Once that was done, there was no hope.  Players have to settle and take less than they want.  End of Story.

4)  Good news for us...  they will settle and I have no doubt we will have at the least, a shortened season.

Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: June 15, 2011 11:44 am

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

Isn't DeMaurice Smith a lawyer in addition to his job as head of the players union?

Since: Nov 3, 2006
Posted on: June 15, 2011 11:43 am

Report: CBA talks almost blew up Tuesday

Isn't DeMaurice Smith a lawyer?

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