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Why Tiki to the Steelers doesn't make sense

Posted on: June 20, 2011 5:30 pm
Edited on: June 20, 2011 5:46 pm
 


Posted by Ryan Wilson

The three most talked about players in recent weeks -- Terrelle Pryor, Plaxico Burress and now Tiki Barber -- combined for exactly zero yards, zero touchdowns and zero games played last NFL season. Or the one before that. In fact, only Burress has seen an NFL field at all since 2007; Barber retired in 2006, and Pryor was in college until he had a sudden change of heart earlier this month.

All three are looking to get (back) into the league, and all appear to face long odds. To varying degrees, they come with baggage, and Burress and Barber are on the wrong side of 30. Our focus here is on Barber since Sports Illustrated's Peter King mentioned him in his latest Monday Morning Quarterback column.

Specifically, King spins the Wheel of Educated Guesses on possible Barber landing spots this summer, and it came up Pittsburgh.

Let's breakdown King's reasoning line by line:

"The Steelers have a head coach the Barber family knows well -- Mike Tomlin is close to twin Ronde Barber after coaching him in Tampa from 2001 to 2005 and also knows Tiki."

Tomlin also knows Michael Vick well; they both grew up in Newport News, Va. And you know what? When Vick was released from prison and was mounting a return to the NFL, the media connected the dots, and rumors of a Tomlin-Vick reunion followed. Vick eventually signed with the Eagles.

In August 2009, Tomlin told NFL Network's Deion Sanders why the Steelers didn't pursue Vick.

"I spent some time with Mike this summer. Mike's from my hometown, I've known Mike a long time," Tomlin said. "It was bigger than business for me. There were gangs and so forth when I grew up there, but when you played ball, you played ball. It was different. They respected what you did, and you kept it moving.

"Where we're from now gangsters play ball," he continued. "I believe that his redemption and his second opportunity is pivotal for those young guys from my area to see a guy come through the other side and make it right.

"In terms of [the Steelers being interested in Vick], to be quite honest with you, our quarterback is going through some things of his own right now, and he needs my complete support and undivided attention. So it just wasn't the appropriate time for us to consider something of that nature."

At the time, there were plenty of skeptics; Vick had been an inconsistent quarterback before the stint in Leavenworth, and the thinking went that his best chance at NFL redemption might come with a position change -- maybe running back, wide receiver or wildcat specialist.

Instead, Vick waited his turn and when he finally got on the field, he seized the opportunity, played out of his mind and led the Eagles to the playoffs. But Vick was also just 30 last season; he still possessed the physical skills that made him one of the NFL's most dangerous quarterbacks before dogs and the legal system led to his downfall.

"Tomlin wouldn't be afraid of the sideshow Tiki Barber might create, nor would he be shy about pulling the plug if the 36-year-old back couldn't beat out the likes of Mewelde Moore."

That's exactly what Tomlin would be afraid of. Referring again to Tomlin's 2009 conversation with Sanders about Vick: "…[T]o be quite honest with you, our quarterback is going through some things of his own right now, and he needs my complete support and undivided attention." It sounds like there's only so much "support and undivided attention" to go around.

And while the Steelers have had their share of distractions in recent years -- from Ben Roethlisberger twice being accused of sexual assault to James Harrison's $100,000 in fines last season to the more benign Jeff Reed duking it out with a Sheetz bathroom towel dispenser -- that doesn't mean the organization welcomes it. It's hard to tell sometimes, but they're not running a halfway house.

(Remember: Santonio Holmes -- the Super Bowl XLIII MVP -- was shipped out of town for several drug-related incidents, including an impending four-game suspension. No one thought the fifth-round pick the Steelers got from the Jets for Holmes was fair value, but the organization had run out of patience with the mercurial wide receiver.)

Putting aside the media circus Barber would bring with him to Latrobe, Pa., there's a bigger concern: He's 36. When Barber called it quits after the 2006 season, he was one of the best running backs in the league. But as we've written several times lately, running backs are among the easiest positions to replace. There's no reason to spend large chunks of the salary cap (or use high draft picks) to get a back when equivalent talent can usually be found on the cheap.

Any team willing to give Barber a shot would probably give him a contract offering the league minimum. But at 36, Barber has, what, a year, maybe two years left? That means clearing a spot on the 53-man roster, one previously occupied by a young, low-cost back being groomed for a larger role down the road. Instead, the Steelers get Barber, who's closer to 40 than 30, and hasn't played a meaningful game in nearly five years. It doesn't make sense.

For fun, we looked back the past 15 years at the RBs who were at least 35 years old and played in the NFL.



Not surprisingly, it's populated with fullbacks who made their living as glorified offensive lineman and weren't relied on to actually carry the ball. Of the 12 players listed, none cracked 1,000 rushing yards for a season, and when we look only at true running backs, we're left with five names: Emmitt Smith, Marcus Allen, Earnest Byner, Larry Centers and Hershel Walker.

Of these, only Allen was productive after the age of 35. (In fact, from age 35 to 37, Allen was a top-5 back, according to Football Outsiders. That's mind-blowing, frankly.)

In 2004, Smith ran for 937 yards, but compared to the other RBs in the league, he was well below average. Football Outsiders ranked him next to last among all RBs that season, ahead of the Bears' Anthony Thomas.

So even if Tomlin has a relationship with Barber and thinks he can handle the media scrutiny, the bottom line (because the NFL is a business, after all) remains the same: can Tiki produce?

History says no, unless you think Barber is the next coming of Marcus Allen. We do not.

The Steelers have a core of veteran stars; Tiki Barber would fit right in. The Steelers have a good back, Rashard Mendenhall, but no back-of-the-future type who Barber would be robbing playing time from. And one NFL source tells me Barber really wants a shot to play in Pittsburgh.

We have no doubt that Barber wants to play in Pittsburgh. NFL Network's Albert Breer hears that Barber wouldn't mind suiting it up in New England, either.

Regarding Pittsburgh's "core of veteran stars," why would Tiki "fit right in," as King suggests? Here's what CBSSports.com's Mike Freeman wrote last month, after Barber compared himself to Anne Frank:

"I covered Barber for most of his career and he remains one of the most versatile backs I've seen. He was also among the most arrogant. Most Giants players hated Barber. I mean, hated him. They thought he was a pompous putz on a lifelong journey to show the world he was smarter than most of his football peers."

The Patriots have a history of taking flyers on guys with character concerns (Corey Dillon and Randy Moss immediately come to mind), but that's not the Steelers' M.O.

But maybe this time is different. Maybe Tomlin makes an exception for Barber, who admitted that depression led him back to football after he couldn't deal with losing his $2 million-a-year gig with NBC. Now, he wants another shot at NFL glory.

Still, we can't get past Barber sounding as if he's coming out of retirement for all the wrong reasons. And even though he's not the type of player the organization usually pursues in free agency, perhaps the Rooneys will have a sudden change of heart. We just wouldn't count on it. Since, you know, the Steelers said months ago that they weren't interested.

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Comments

Since: Apr 23, 2011
Posted on: June 22, 2011 10:56 am
 

Why Tiki to the Steelers doesn't make sense

F*&K TIKI, He left  my Giants High and dry, talked bad about my QB & couch ( actually I'm not mad about the couch comments) . & what did the giants do, they won the superbowl. my ? is why would a team, no Good Team like the steelers be interested in a low chacter player like tiki ? he's shown  what he will do when he doesnt like something he turns into a Judas.....  he'll be a cancer to any team by week 8 complaning about playing time, just wait and see....



Since: Jul 20, 2010
Posted on: June 22, 2011 9:44 am
 

Why Tiki to the Steelers doesn't make sense

Are we just filling space with the lockout that people are actually talking about crap like this.........TIKI , please , Pryor - who is he besides the guy who trashed the lives of many and now is looking for a reward. Cast them out and forget about them. Plax , hey he shot himself , got made an example of and did the time. Trying to get his job back.........i see no problem with that. Pryor is nobody and hasn't done squat, Tiki retired , messed up his life and now wants someone foolish enough to pay him and bail him out.............let him stay retired.



Since: Jul 20, 2010
Posted on: June 22, 2011 9:44 am
 

Why Tiki to the Steelers doesn't make sense

Are we just filling space with the lockout that people are actually talking about crap like this.........TIKI , please , Pryor - who is he besides the guy who trashed the lives of many and now is looking for a reward. Cast them out and forget about them. Plax , hey he shot himself , got made an example of and did the time. Trying to get his job back.........i see no problem with that. Pryor is nobody and hasn't done squat, Tiki retired , messed up his life and now wants someone foolish enough to pay him and bail him out.............let him stay retired.



Since: Jul 20, 2010
Posted on: June 22, 2011 9:43 am
 

Why Tiki to the Steelers doesn't make sense

Are we just filling space with the lockout that people are actually talking about crap like this.........TIKI , please , Pryor - who is he besides the guy who trashed the lives of many and now is looking for a reward. Cast them out and forget about them. Plax , hey he shot himself , got made an example of and did the time. Trying to get his job back.........i see no problem with that. Pryor is nobody and hasn't done squat, Tiki retired , messed up his life and now wants someone foolish enough to pay him and bail him out.............let him stay retired.



Since: Jun 22, 2011
Posted on: June 22, 2011 9:41 am
 

Why Tiki to the Steelers doesn't make sense

What a little bitch! I don't make millions anymore, I'm so depressed, nobody likes me. Suck it up and get a regular job, you did go to a big time college didn't you? Time to start living like the rest of us you silver spooned, lily-livered, attention-grabing pansy.



Since: Jun 21, 2011
Posted on: June 21, 2011 10:52 pm
 

Why Tiki to the Steelers doesn't make sense

If we're on the play ground and we're picking team mates, I'll pick Betty White over Tiki any day of the year. Boo Hoo, Tiki is depressed. No ring. No job. Oh, well! It could be worse, fool. Being humble instead of stirring up trouble with coach C would have got him a ring and championship glory. Tiki wants to sign with a contender - shocker. Go start a football camp Tiki and stay away. You had you chance and YOU walked. 



Since: Oct 18, 2007
Posted on: June 21, 2011 10:05 pm
 

Why Tiki to the Steelers doesn't make sense

I'll take Isaac Redman over Barber 8 days of the week.

Apparently Tomlin wants to bring Barber in though.

I only want it if it is league minimum contract including incentives if he does well and on a training camp tryout basis. If he pulls a Kevan Barlow and does absolutely nothing they better just pull the plug.




Since: Dec 18, 2006
Posted on: June 21, 2011 8:16 pm
 

Why Tiki to the Steelers doesn't make sense

1GoBlue, not sure which football league you were watching, which Super Bowl did Tiki won? You must be a Tiki Barber fan before for you to think he will contribute anything to any team after being away from competative football the past 6 years. Anyways, this is not about who is a better person, Vick or Tiki, it's about if Tiki can still play competative football after being away for 6 years and the answer is NO and dude, he was not in the NY Giants team that won the Super Bowl but was on the NY Giants team that lost in the Super Bowl.



Since: Apr 14, 2007
Posted on: June 21, 2011 7:23 pm
 

Why Tiki to the Steelers doesn't make sense

Allen was a top-5 back, according to Football Outsiders.


And things like that claim are why they are Outsiders...



Since: Apr 14, 2007
Posted on: June 21, 2011 7:22 pm
 

Why Tiki to the Steelers doesn't make sense

and when we look only at true running backs, we're left with five names: Emmitt Smith, Marcus Allen, Earnest Byner, Larry Centers and Hershel Walker.


Ryan Wilson is keeping with the standard of CBS writing...Larry Centers was a FB.

And a confessed Steeler fan disagreeing with the Steeler inflating Peter King?

He has become a hack writer too, but he is the king of the hack writer mountain, and Junior here has a long way to climb to get to King's level.


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