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Forte would really like more money from the Bears

Posted on: July 24, 2011 4:24 pm
Edited on: July 24, 2011 4:44 pm
 
M. Forte wants more money from Chicago (US Presswire).Posted by Josh Katzowitz

You could be forgiven if you would have thought, before last season, that the idea of Bears RB Matt Forte asking for a contract extension and more money would have seemed slightly out of whack.

Remember, after a standout rookie season in 2008, Forte didn’t have a great 2009, rushing for 929 yards (averaging 3.6 per carry) and scoring just four touchdowns (though he continued to perform well as a pass receiver).

But in 2010, Forte was much more electric, breaking the 1,000 rushing yard barrier, scoring six TDs and averaging a robust 4.5 yards per carry.

Considering he’s due $550,000 in base salary in the final year of his rookie contract, putting him well behind his backup, Chester Taylor (who made $7 million last year), you could certainly make the case Forte is wildly underpaid.

Knowing that, Forte wants to sign a new deal before training camp begins if possible.

"I think we're going about it the right way,'' Forte told the Chicago Tribune. "My agent, Adisa Bakari, talked to (Bears GM) Jerry Angelo and Cliff Stein last season, just letting them know that we've been producing.

"And now that it's close to training camp, we don't have much time to negotiate.''

That’s true, but it’s also true that the Bears have a ton of other players with whom they need to sign deals. Forte might be deserving of a nice payday – since 2008, he ranks fifth in the league in yards from scrimmage – but he might not get one, simply because it’s not yet his turn. 

Not yet anyway.

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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: January 16, 2012 11:53 pm
 

Forte would really like more money from the Bears



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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: December 26, 2011 12:07 pm
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Since: Apr 27, 2008
Posted on: July 26, 2011 7:07 pm
 

Forte would really like more money from the Bears

Not true at all.  All teams have to honor every nickel of the GUARANTEED MONEY in every deal. And yes, NFL players get plenty of guaranteed money, especially the starters.  And it's not just signing bonuses or roster bonuses, it's much more then that.  Why do you think the Raiders waited as long as they did to cut Jamarcul Russell?  They waited until the guaranteed money was paid and done with... 

You're talking guaranteed money, I'm talking contract.  You know, as in "The greedy b*****d should play for the contract HE signed" Of course teams honor every nickle of guaranteed money, that's why they call it guaranteed.  However, they don't always honor the entire contract they signed.  Sox 04 brings up a perfect example with Reggie Bush.  When he was a rookie he signed a contract. The Saints also signed that contract. Now that he is due 11 million the Saints are likely going to A) cut him to avoid paying him the money due him as per his contract.  B) Try to convince him to take less to avoid paying him the money due him as per his contract or  C) trade him but likely any other team would require him to redo his deal in effect avoiding paying him the money due him as per his contract. Any way you slice it, the Saints will not be paying Reggie Bush the money he is due according to the contract he, and the team, signed.  Now I agree that in the case of Bush he is not worth 11 million but how can you say its OK for a team not to honor a contract they signed if a player is not worth it but the player has to honor the contract they signed if they are being underpaid (underpaid in this sense as relates to his value in comparison to what other players make and how they produce.  We all know athletes are not underpaid in general)  I see no difference really.


Generally speaking teams don't cut good players or starters worth the money they are making, and even if they do if the player is worth signing there are plenty of other teams in line praying they get the chance. The players that are punished for the most part are overpaid players that suddenly suck at what they do after signing new deals....  even players that get injured get every dollar of their guaranteed money.....  

This is true but it is beside the point.  The point is teams are not obligated to honor a contract they agreed to if it is not financially sound so why should a player be obligated to honor a contract if they are getting the short end of the stick?


The only argument and it does have merit is that in the contract the player signs I would guess it has language that says teams can cut players at any time and not have to pay the full agreed upon amount so in essence teams are not breaking the contract but its splitting hairs if you ask me.

Keep in mind I am not of this opinion in every case.  In general I would reserve it for those playing out their rookie contracts who did not sign outrageous rookie deals like Reggie Bush and others.  Players like Forte, who have outplayed their rookie deals are entitled IMO.  Now if Forte were to sign a new deal that would pay him 4 million in 2015 and at the start of that year he were to say he wanted more then I would probably have a different opinion.  Even if he were the leading rusher and MVP every year up till then.  



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: July 25, 2011 3:25 pm
 

Forte would really like more money from the Bears

It had nothing to do with guaranteed $ being done with.  It had to due with the increased cap hit if they cut him.  try to know what you are talking about so you don't miseducated fans.  No offense.  

It had everything to do with guaranteed money.  Jamarcus Russell was cut literally 3 weeks after his guaranteed paychecks were done and over with.  That wasn't coincidence...... 



Since: Aug 1, 2007
Posted on: July 25, 2011 2:17 pm
 

Forte would really like more money from the Bears

REDWINGS   
Why do you think the Raiders waited as long as they did to cut Jamarcul Russell?  They waited until the guaranteed money was paid and done with... 
It had nothing to do with guaranteed $ being done with.  It had to due with the increased cap hit if they cut him.  try to know what you are talking about so you don't miseducated fans.  No offense.  The Saints will cut Reggie Bush or trade him somhow this year because his final year of his deal is $11 mil plus but the cap hit to cut him is over $13mil...



Since: Sep 25, 2009
Posted on: July 25, 2011 1:44 pm
 

Forte would really like more money from the Bears

If you get 5 years out of an RB you're usually thrilled.  These guys are generally done by 30, if not 28.  With the 5 year rookie option, owners can now get away with drafting a new RB every 5 years.  Chris Johnson is making the same base salary as Forte.

Pretty much all the rookie players outside of the top 10 don't get paid much.  The rookie wage scale at most should have only applied to make the top 15 picks, but extending it beyond that is a coup for the teams.  I would not pay Forte another dime.

If the franchise tag is still there, that's even less of a reason to pay for an RB.  Of all the positions this is the most replaceable one.





Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: July 25, 2011 12:09 pm
 

Forte would really like more money from the Bears

A couple of things.  First, I used to be one of those "honor the contract you signed" guys until I realized that the teams don't have to honor it so why should the players.  If the team decides the player isn't worth what he is due they can cut him with little or no consequences so why shouldn't a player ask for more if he is underpaid.

Not true at all.  All teams have to honor every nickel of the GUARANTEED MONEY in every deal. And yes, NFL players get plenty of guaranteed money, especially the starters.  And it's not just signing bonuses or roster bonuses, it's much more then that.  Why do you think the Raiders waited as long as they did to cut Jamarcul Russell?  They waited until the guaranteed money was paid and done with... 

Generally speaking teams don't cut good players or starters worth the money they are making, and even if they do if the player is worth signing there are plenty of other teams in line praying they get the chance. The players that are punished for the most part are overpaid players that suddenly suck at what they do after signing new deals....  even players that get injured get every dollar of their guaranteed money..... 

That being said, I don't mind Forte getting paid a little early because his case is special.  He's only got one year left for barely above the league minimum and he's an excellent player.  Top 5 all purpose yards for running backs in the NFL??  Something like that.... an extension would be nice in his case and if I was a Bears fan I'd support it.

And if the Bears don't agree to an early extension?  If that happens and if Forte is smart he'll go to camp with a smile on his face, have his best season and when the Bears try to negotiate a new deal half way through the season he can tell them to f*** off.....  he can have a great season and then test free agency after the year which I'm sure will be very profitable for him.

In the end excellent players with a good attitude don't get screwed because they always get their money from somewhere.  When's the last time a player in a contract year was told by his team they won't negotiate a new deal early and the player got badly hurt the same season which affected his free agency?  Not very common.... don't worry about Forte.  He's an excellent player that's going to become very rich very soon.  Whether he signs an extension with the Bears or leaves the Bears as an UFA after the year or whether they franchise him after next season doesn't matter.... Forte is going to make a fortune somewhere.... it's just right now we don't know where that's going to be. 



Since: Apr 27, 2008
Posted on: July 25, 2011 11:21 am
 

Forte would really like more money from the Bears

A couple of things.  First, I used to be one of those "honor the contract you signed" guys until I realized that the teams don't have to honor it so why should the players.  If the team decides the player isn't worth what he is due they can cut him with little or no consequences so why shouldn't a player ask for more if he is underpaid.


Second, I don't think Forte is threatening any sort of holdout or anything like that.  I don't get the idea that he is that kind of guy. All he is saying is tha the would like to redo his deal.  He has outplayed his rookie contract so far and IMO he deserves it.  If they say no he will be there and play hard like he always has.  If he has another good year, he'll just ask for that much more. 


Third, if they don't redo his contract he might decide that next year, when he is a free agent he just might not give the Bears a chance or they might have to pony up even more to keep him.  Usually in cases like this, if a team wants to keep a guy they will save money in the long run if they can work out a a new deal while the guy is still under contract.  if they waut for him to hit the open market the asking price usually goes up. 


This really is no big deal and I hope it doesn't turn into one.  If a team wants to keep improving they have to find ways to keep their stars. 



Since: May 22, 2007
Posted on: July 25, 2011 11:20 am
 

Forte would really like more money from the Bears

The Bears should certainly part ways with Chester Taylor...a 3rd down specialist who did nothing last year. Now, Matt Forte should be taken care of by the Bears and given an extension. He's proven himself, so they should get a deal done...we'll see if the Bears do the right thing.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: July 25, 2011 10:58 am
 

Forte would really like more money from the Bears

 Football careers last on average less than rookie contracts.

Not true at all, don't believe all the union nonesense . The union is telling you the average NFL career is only 3.2 years but that's a lie. The average NFL career is actually at 6 years, and that number could actually be low.   The average career of an NFL first round pick is really just over 9 years.  And the average career for players that have made at least one probowl is just over 11 years.   The union is fooling you man.......

Take a look yourself if you don't believe me.... I just looked at the first 3 teams on CBS in the NFC North, Detroit, Chicago and Geen Bay. Those teams each have 24,24 and 23 players respectively with 6 or more seasons under their belt.  That's almost half of all 3 rosters with 6 or more years in the NFL.   The average of the above players players is closer to 9 or 10 years so the other half of the roster would have to play as little as 1 game and all their careers have to end week one for the team average to go down to 4.5 or 5 years, let alone the 3 years the union is screwing people around with.  

The union counts players invited to training camp that can't make any of the NFL's teams.... they could be cut in an hour and the union counts them against the average.   The union counts players that choose not to play anymore as well.... not necessarily players that can't play because of injury.  Their numbers are a joke....


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