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Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Posted on: July 26, 2011 10:23 am
 
Posted by Will Brinson

The NFL's trading season, per the official 2011 NFL calendar, officially opened at 10:00 a.m. ET on Tuesday. But there are already some names (Kevin Kolb!) on the trading block; go ahead and add Kyle Orton of the Broncos to that list.

That's because the Broncos reportedly put Orton up on the block, per Mike Klis of the Denver Post. Klis writes that Denver will "begin the business" of the NFL's season by putting his name out there and will be "entertaining offers for Orton" per sources.

However, Klis doesn't necessarily mention precisely what the Broncos would want in return -- we've previously heard they think he's worth a second-rounder -- but he does say if they don't get the proper value in return they won't bite.

In other words, despite the fact that Tim Tebow's been organizing workouts with receivers this offseason, and despite the reports that the starting quarterback job is "his to lose," well, he's probably still going to end up competing with Orton up until the start of the year. (And, yes, technically Brady Quinn.)

There's definitely a market for quarterbacks out there, but two things really pop out about the way Denver is handling this situation. One, even in Madden, players aren't thrilled with their front office when they're publicly lobbed on the trade market like a piece of meat. And while I understand Denver is all about transparency and yet hasn't said that they'll trade him, come on -- you don't publicly shop a guy for mediocre value and then expect him to come back and be all smiles and sunshine.

Secondly, everyone realizes this is John Fox coaching this club right? John Elway might be in charge of the player and personnel moves, but if we're talking about a Fox-coached football team, you have to remember that this is going to be a run-first, keep-it-safe offense.

And while Tebow might very well be able to play the role of game manager for Foxy, it would be somewhat surprising to see the coach entrust his first year on the job to someone so young.

That being said, if the Broncos can find someone willing to give up a second-round pick for Orton, Fox may not have a choice.

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Since: Dec 2, 2011
Posted on: January 17, 2012 6:06 am
 

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Since: Apr 26, 2007
Posted on: July 29, 2011 2:25 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Did the Bears win those games or did Orton?
The Bears won those games, Orton was present.

In 15 games in 2005, Orton threw for 1800 Yds, 9 TDs and 13 INTs with a rating of 60.  Can you honestly tell me that he was the reason the Bears made the playoffs?  I would be more likely to say they made it in spite of Orton.

Did the Bears win those games or did Cutler?
Both the Bears and Cutler participated in winning those games, resulting in a trip to the NFC Championship.

2010 Cutler:  432 attempts, 3200 YDs, 60% comp, 23 TD, 16 INT, 86 rating
2010 Orton:  498 attempts, 3600 YDs, 59% comp, 20 TD, 9 INT, 87 rating

Similar numbers, of the 2 (statistically) I would take Cutler, he was much more efficient, with relatively equal offenses.  The difference last year was the fact that the Bears had a better defense.  What I said earlier, if Orton goes to a team that has an improved defense and is able to lead his team to the conference championship, I may think of him differently.  Cutler has a piss-poor attitude and I said elsewhere that I would gladly have Orton over Cutler because of the attitude.

I am also saying that Orton has been on decent teams and he either didn't perform or didn't even get the starting nod, because teams don't see him as a guy that's going to get it done.  He may yet prove me wrong, but I don't see it happening.

coming from behind to beat the Patriots and the Titans
Orton came back to beat a mediocre team in the Titans in 2010 and pulled a rabbit out of his hat against the Pats in 2009.  He continued to show off his greatness in '09 by going 2-8 after starting 6-0.  I'm sure it was the inept Broncos that lost those 8 games and nothing to do with Orton's abilities.  While you are quick to point out 2 of his shining moments, you don't seem to mention his games against KC, SD, ARZ or OAK last year or PIT, KC and BAL the year before.  For every game you can hang your hat on the guy, there are 3 that you'd want no part of him. 
Orton could shatter every single-season passing record and win the Super Bowl, and my guess is, you'll say it was "the system".
I would gladly eat my hat if Orton had, statistically, the best year ever and won a superbowl, I don't care what team it was for.  If he replaced Tom Brady tomorrow, he wouldn't be able to do it, and that's probably one of the best "systems" in the league. 

There is no argument here that he statistically had one of his best seasons ever with 3600 YDs 20 TDs and an 87 QB rating.  I would like to hear someone in the NFL say that was a great year and I must have Kyle Orton on my team, he is the future.  You won't hear it, he isn't great, and those are not great numbers.  They are good numbers, nothing more.

I admit I don't like the guy, but not for any other reason than he gets way more credit than he deserves.  I'm find with a little hype or a young guy with potential, but Orton has been around long enough now to have the "new-QB smell" wear off and we see him for what he is, just a good QB, nothing more.



Since: Nov 22, 2009
Posted on: July 29, 2011 10:29 am
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

   Before last year he was 29-20 good TD to INT ratio. Last year Denver was DREADFUL! I'm not making him out to be Joe Montana but, come on give the guy some credit. He wins if the team is decent around him. Much like many servicable STARTING QBs in the league. Don't make him win the game every week. Game manager  is more of what he is. He is a good player.



Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: July 29, 2011 4:07 am
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Much like Cutler leaving Denver, Orton has done nothing to prove himself as a QB that deserves this much respect.
You mean, besides being the only bright spot on a crap team, having his best statistical year with a new coach, new team, and new offense, following that year with an even better one despite losing his star receiver, coming from behind to beat the Patriots and the Titans, leading the league in nearly every category for a good chunk of 2010 before injury sidelined him - with journeyman receivers and a shaky O-line, handling the drafting of Tim Tebow and the QB "controversy" with class, handling putting him out for trade with class, and being consistently better every single year he's been in the NFL? Yeah, he hasn't done jack squat.

Maybe if he leaves Denver and has a season like Cutler did in Chicago, I will change my tune.
"Like Cutler did in Chicago"? You mean setting a career record for interceptions? Oh, you mean wins. So let me get this straight: The standard by which you judge is, how Jay Cutler did with the Chicago Bears - a team you also claim carried Orton. Which is it? Did The Bears win those games or did Orton? Did the Bears win those other games or did Cutler? This is the problem with clearly disliking a player and hiding your bias behind poorly-constructed rationale(s); the house of cards falls apart, and you're left standing there with nothing but your naked prejudice.

Orton could shatter every single-season passing record and win the Super Bowl, and my guess is, you'll just say it was "the system". Don't give conditions upon which you promise to be impressed by Orton when you clearly never will. Just say you hate him and nothing he can do will change that. It's refreshingly honest, and you don't have to gin up a facade.



Since: Apr 26, 2007
Posted on: July 28, 2011 4:11 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

He wins and takes care of the ball.
Where is this winning stuff coming from?  I agree Orton takes care of the ball, 71 TD's and 48 INT's over 4+ years of starts, but 32-30 record over his career and his best season was with the Bears when Orton was carried by the defense.  I don't think a 60 QB rating and 9 to 13 TD to INT ratio with 1800 YDs could really credit those wins to Orton.

Led Bears to playoffs and yanked for Grossman.
Looking at his numbers in 2005, it's no wonder Rex got the nod next season.  Granted, Rex turned out to be a worse choice than Orton, but the amount of credit Orton is getting here is a little overboard.  Much like Cutler leaving Denver, Orton has done nothing to prove himself as a QB that deserves this much respect.  Maybe if he leaves Denver and has a season like Cutler did in Chicago, I will change my tune.  Until then, Orton is anything but impressive. 



Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: July 28, 2011 3:49 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Thank Goodness, Orton needs to pack up and leave town, and take his ugly facial hair with him. Yes he has had a few good seasons STATISTICLY, but come on now, let's not kid ourselves. When it's 3rd and long Orton is not the guy you want handling the ball. He strikes me as the type of guy who would get in a huddle on a 3rd and goal, and tell his guys that it doesnt matter what happens, as long as they have fun and are happy. Plus, your QB is supposed to be the face of the franchise, and Orton has a face that makes me think he owns a panel van with a "Free Candy" sign painted on the side
This is the kind of stupidity I like in my Broncos fans. Being a Broncos hater, I enjoy the fact that they have fans who are this idiotic. A few good seasons statistically? How else was he supposed to have "a few good seasons" on such a godawful team? Anyone notice what happened when the Broncos' defense played worth a crap? That's right: 6-0. That's because Orton took care of his end of the deal. He continued to do so while the rest of the team went downhill in a big hurry. Willfully refusing to understand this is exactly the kind of idiocy I appreciate in a hated team's fans.

For instance:
He strikes me as the type of guy who would get in a huddle on a 3rd and goal, and tell his guys that it doesnt matter what happens, as long as they have fun and are happy.
"He strikes you"? Yeah, because if you tried to argue against the man using, oh, say, facts, you'd have nothing. This is the only type of argument against Orton that succeeds, because it's based solely on the individual's capacity for willful ignorance and stupidity. You can't argue with stupid. Another example? Of course, straw man. Here you go:
Plus, your QB is supposed to be the face of the franchise, and Orton has a face that makes me think he owns a panel van with a "Free Candy" sign painted on the side
Despite the fact that this is an attempt at humor (key word: attempt), it actually speaks volumes about the special kind of stupid many of Orton's critics exhibit. He's not a good enough "leader", they say. He doesn't have "it", they say, where "it" is some kind of magical, undefinable ingerdient that allows them to ignore stats, tape, evaluations, or anything else that doesn't confirm their "Orton isn't good" dogma. (It's also interesting that physical appearance is somehow a factor. How many fans need a QB they're attracted to? Hmm.)

It's the same kind of mentality that Jay Cutler fans used, shrieking to the heavens while Orton outperformed Cutler. In defiance of all evidence, they ranted and screeched about Cutler's superior arm strength and athleticism, insisting that this made him the superior quarterback despite his inferior performance. At least I can look forward to another year of entertainment as morons around the country try to somehow spin Tim Tebow into the superior QB this year. (That's the hilarious part; they can't even wait for another 2-3 years of development, whereupon it's even likely that he'll wind up as a superior player. No, he must be annointed NOW, because they just can't live in a world where Kyle Orton is - even temporarily - a better QB.)


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