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Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Posted on: July 26, 2011 10:23 am
 
Posted by Will Brinson

The NFL's trading season, per the official 2011 NFL calendar, officially opened at 10:00 a.m. ET on Tuesday. But there are already some names (Kevin Kolb!) on the trading block; go ahead and add Kyle Orton of the Broncos to that list.

That's because the Broncos reportedly put Orton up on the block, per Mike Klis of the Denver Post. Klis writes that Denver will "begin the business" of the NFL's season by putting his name out there and will be "entertaining offers for Orton" per sources.

However, Klis doesn't necessarily mention precisely what the Broncos would want in return -- we've previously heard they think he's worth a second-rounder -- but he does say if they don't get the proper value in return they won't bite.

In other words, despite the fact that Tim Tebow's been organizing workouts with receivers this offseason, and despite the reports that the starting quarterback job is "his to lose," well, he's probably still going to end up competing with Orton up until the start of the year. (And, yes, technically Brady Quinn.)

There's definitely a market for quarterbacks out there, but two things really pop out about the way Denver is handling this situation. One, even in Madden, players aren't thrilled with their front office when they're publicly lobbed on the trade market like a piece of meat. And while I understand Denver is all about transparency and yet hasn't said that they'll trade him, come on -- you don't publicly shop a guy for mediocre value and then expect him to come back and be all smiles and sunshine.

Secondly, everyone realizes this is John Fox coaching this club right? John Elway might be in charge of the player and personnel moves, but if we're talking about a Fox-coached football team, you have to remember that this is going to be a run-first, keep-it-safe offense.

And while Tebow might very well be able to play the role of game manager for Foxy, it would be somewhat surprising to see the coach entrust his first year on the job to someone so young.

That being said, if the Broncos can find someone willing to give up a second-round pick for Orton, Fox may not have a choice.

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Comments

Since: Nov 1, 2006
Posted on: July 26, 2011 5:09 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Agreed, to a point.

No way would I take Orton over Cutler or Peyton Manning.
I would definitely take Orton over Eli Manning and Cassell.
It's a toss up on Romo.



Since: Sep 2, 2006
Posted on: July 26, 2011 5:08 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Lord in heaven, you too Hawk? Given the kid only started 3 games (and as you so nicely pointed previously out only scored 7 TD's in those 3 starts) that leaves 4 TD's that he scored getting inserted into te line-up in a short and goal situation. So, I'm just saying the kid deserves a shot at the starting job giving his end of the year performance as he can't improve and develop the leadership needed without playing. Is this man love for Orton or just straight hate for Tebow? Just curious.....

In addition, based on the 13 touches you came up with in games he didn't start, that's 4 TD's produced by a rookie on those touches and I also think some were just some short yardage situations to get a 1st down so that eliminates a few chances....I'll take that based on the limited oportunities...shows potential.

LOL...love the various opinions though guys...good fun.

And yeah, that was bad grammer on my part earlier   =)





Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: July 26, 2011 5:08 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Peyton Manning only completes about 35 more passes for the season and he has a great O-line!
huskermav, I tend to agree with the general point of your posts, but this is just silly.  1) The Colts' offensive line has NOT been great for at least a couple of years now.  Manning doesn't go down because he's the best in the league at reading defenses and getting the ball out to the hot read when other quarterbacks would be sacked.  2) Manning completes a lot more than 35 more passes than Orton, but most importantly, hits a significantly higher percentage.  And Denver's WCO should help a quarterback's completion percentage (a scary thought when you think about how low Tebow's was).

It's pretty basic - Kyle Orton is a pretty good QB.  But he is what he is - he's not going to suddenly see some drastic improvement.  Tim Tebow is the potential hidden behind door number two.  There's a CHANCE he'll develop into an elite QB, and it makes sense for a non-contending team like Denver to press that development.  They're not a particularly good team with either QB in 2011, but IF Tebow becomes the player the organization hopes he will, they might be in 2012 or 2013.




Since: Apr 29, 2011
Posted on: July 26, 2011 5:07 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Husker, you are crazy if you would rather have orton over romo, manning, cassell, and cutler.  You must be delusional! Ill admit, orton had a good year last year, but these other guys have had good years as well.



Since: Nov 12, 2006
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:53 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

those are completions over 20 yards you knucklehead....... Tebow usually got inserted from time to time within the 5 yard line.....just wow.
You call someone else a knuckle head and leave the world wondering how "usually" and "from time to time" equate.  Talk about "just wow".  You made no sense there at all. 

Tebow had a total of 12 rushes and 1 pass attempted in the games he didn't start.  The rushes likely all came in short yardage situations, which gave Tebow the chance to get rushing TDs while costing Orton the chance at passing TDs.  It's likely Orton's numbers would have been even better if not for getting yanked.  If you're right and Tebow's play in those games came inside the 5 yard line, those 3 touchdowns on 12 attempts is a lot less impressive.



Since: Nov 1, 2006
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:50 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Kyle Orton is a turnover machine? Seriously?

Orton: 498 pass attempts, 9 INT's = 1.8% interception rate

Tebow: 82 pass attempts, 3 INT's = 3.7% interception rate

Math is hard.



Since: Jan 18, 2007
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:49 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Nice list.  Here's my list of QBs I'd rather have than Orton right now.  (I'm just taking your list and modifying it.)

1.  Sam Bradford
2.  Matt Hasselbeck  6 years ago, yes.  Hasselbeck keeps getting worse, Orton gets better.
3.  Michael Vick
4.  Kelvin Kolb  Completely unproven.  I see the potential, but potential isn't experience.
5.  Eli Manning  (SB win or not, he's never had a season on pace to break records; Orton did last year.)
6.  Tony Romo
7.  Matt Ryan
8.  Drew Brees
9.  Jay Cutler  Better talent-wise, but I don't trust him not to throw the game-ending pick.
10. Aaron Rodgers
11. Matt Cassel  Jury's out on this one.  Let's see year 2.
12. Philip Rivers
13. Tom Brady
14. Peyton Manning
15. Matt Schaub
16. Ben Roethlisberger
17. Joe Flacco
18. Carson Palmer  Officially retired.  He's better, but he can't be on this list if he's not active.
19.  Josh Freeman
20.  Mark Sanchez

That leaves 13. So in my opinion, I would rather have 13 other QBs than Orton starting.  Tebow isn't on that list.  He won't have a problem finding another job though, since I stand by the fact that he'd be better at QB than what half the teams in the league have penciled in starting next month.



Since: Sep 2, 2006
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:46 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

I'm gonna leave it at that lotus bud....but I aint spinning anything. In fact, the QB rating I quoted had nothing to do with passes over 20 yards...it's what they both had overall at the end of the year....good lord man, chill out. Whether or not the pass went 20 yards in the air or became a 20 yard play means nothing...it just is what it is.

If you are in a fantasy football league good luck to you this year....wish you were in mine.



Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:42 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

As far as Orton, he was on a team that has a great defense, but that team didn't think Orton was the guy, and moved on.  Granted that team went with Grossman, who is a complete bum.  Still, the Bears didn't see anything worth keeping in Orton.
Well, the Bears are the Bears.
Sorry, Orton is the current generation's Vinny Testaverde, puts up decent numbers on several teams, just not a championship guy.
I will disagree, but only slightly. As you said, Orton is good, and as I said, he's not in Rodgers' class. However, I still say that no QB can succeed if he's surrounded by crap.



Since: Apr 26, 2007
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:36 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

He really proved it when he had to go out game after game to try to make up ridiculous deficits because the defense sucked, racking up huge numbers while trying to keep his team in the game.
You mentioned his strong performances against the Titans and the Patriots (in 2009), how about bringing up his games agaist Oakland, the Jets or Kansas City?  A combined 3 TD's and 5 TO's isn't so amazing.  You can pick out any player whoi's been around 4-5 years and there's bound to be a few good games to look back at. 

As far as Orton, he was on a team that has a great defense, but that team didn't think Orton was the guy, and moved on.  Granted that team went with Grossman, who is a complete bum.  Still, the Bears didn't see anything worth keeping in Orton.

Yes, Rodgers first year he was 6-10 and struggled to win close games.  However, you take his worst statistical year, which was 2008, Rodgers had over 4000 yards passing and a 94 QB rating with 28 TD's and 13 INT's, plus over 200 rushing yards and 4 rushing TD's.

Take Orton's best statistical year (pretty close between 2009 and 2010), well go with 2010.  With Kyle starting, Denver was 3-10 and his numbers don't even measure up.  3600 YDs passing, and a 88 QB rating with 20 TD's and 9 INT's.  98 YD's rushing and 0 rushing TD's.

I'm sure you will say that Green Bay was closer to completing the puzzle than Denver is, which may be true, but Orton is not an elite QB, he's not even a great QB.  He's a good QB that will have a decent career, moving from one rebuilding team to another.  He isn't going to be the guy that leads a team to the SB, he won't ever be in that position and he's not talented enough to be put on a team that is.

Sorry, Orton is the current generation's Vinny Testaverde, puts up decent numbers on several teams, just not a championship guy.


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