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Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Posted on: July 26, 2011 10:23 am
 
Posted by Will Brinson

The NFL's trading season, per the official 2011 NFL calendar, officially opened at 10:00 a.m. ET on Tuesday. But there are already some names (Kevin Kolb!) on the trading block; go ahead and add Kyle Orton of the Broncos to that list.

That's because the Broncos reportedly put Orton up on the block, per Mike Klis of the Denver Post. Klis writes that Denver will "begin the business" of the NFL's season by putting his name out there and will be "entertaining offers for Orton" per sources.

However, Klis doesn't necessarily mention precisely what the Broncos would want in return -- we've previously heard they think he's worth a second-rounder -- but he does say if they don't get the proper value in return they won't bite.

In other words, despite the fact that Tim Tebow's been organizing workouts with receivers this offseason, and despite the reports that the starting quarterback job is "his to lose," well, he's probably still going to end up competing with Orton up until the start of the year. (And, yes, technically Brady Quinn.)

There's definitely a market for quarterbacks out there, but two things really pop out about the way Denver is handling this situation. One, even in Madden, players aren't thrilled with their front office when they're publicly lobbed on the trade market like a piece of meat. And while I understand Denver is all about transparency and yet hasn't said that they'll trade him, come on -- you don't publicly shop a guy for mediocre value and then expect him to come back and be all smiles and sunshine.

Secondly, everyone realizes this is John Fox coaching this club right? John Elway might be in charge of the player and personnel moves, but if we're talking about a Fox-coached football team, you have to remember that this is going to be a run-first, keep-it-safe offense.

And while Tebow might very well be able to play the role of game manager for Foxy, it would be somewhat surprising to see the coach entrust his first year on the job to someone so young.

That being said, if the Broncos can find someone willing to give up a second-round pick for Orton, Fox may not have a choice.

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Comments

Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:35 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Bait and switch? Heheh...1st- I was talking about passes over 20 yards that were completed, 2nd- I wasn't talking at all about TD's, 3rd- both QB's passer ratings on the year overall were in the midish to upper 80%. Was just saying they are comparable already outside athleticism which gives Tebow the edge and was just tossing out a stat for all those that say Tebow can't "water if he fell out of a boat" if I recall correctly. Read the post before ya post next time big boy  =)
Spin it however you like. You brought QB rating into it, not me. Read your own posts.

By the way, the Broncos played a variation of the WCO, which isn't the long ball. There are better ways to make a case for Tebow over Orton than cherry-picking a stat that haters already give credit to the receivers for, anyway. I suppose all of Orton's 20+ yard passed were the receiver breaking a short pass open, but Tebow's were all in the air?



Since: Sep 2, 2006
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:31 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Bait and switch? Heheh...1st- I was talking about passes over 20 yards that were completed, 2nd- I wasn't talking at all about TD's, 3rd- both QB's passer ratings on the year overall were in the midish to upper 80%. Was just saying they are comparable already outside athleticism which gives Tebow the edge and was just tossing out a stat for all those that say Tebow can't "water if he fell out of a boat" if I recall correctly. Read the post before ya post next time big boy  =)



Since: Nov 1, 2006
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:25 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

I don't necessarily agree that Tebow is the future of the team. I do believe that they need to find out what they have in him, which means playing him and trading Orton. I get it. Doesn't mean I like it or agree with it, but I get it. If he plays well and turns out to be a true QB, great. If not, there are some good prospects in next years draft.



Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:24 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

@ lotusmaglite ....those are completions over 20 yards you knucklehead..... Tebow usually got inserted from time to time within the 5 yard line....just wow.
And yet, you're the one that brought QB rating into it in order to pad your thin case. Nice bait and switch, but QB rating accounts for more than 20-yard passes.



Since: Nov 19, 2006
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:20 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Everyone knows that Tebow is the future of the team.  I do not blame Denver for "floating" Orton's name out there.  Who knows what they may get?  If they do not get what they want, they simply keep him.  Denver has not had a winning season since 2005.  They are in a Division with San Diego, the periennial favorites, Kansas City, who shocked a lot of people last season, and Oakland, who seems to be improving despite Al Davis.  Denver has nothing to lose by doing this.



Since: Sep 2, 2006
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:20 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

@ lotusmaglite ....those are completions over 20 yards you knucklehead..... Tebow usually got inserted from time to time within the 5 yard line....just wow.



Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:13 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Orton--- (63 total out of 293 completions, 52 @ 20+ yards & 11 @ 40+ yards) = 21%... with a QB rating of 87.5 on the season.

Tebow--- (12 total out of 41 completions, 10 @ 20+ yards & 2 @ 40+ yards) = 29%... with a QB rating of 82.1 on the season.
I wonder what Tebow's numbers would have been if Orton hadn't driven the team down to the two yard line repeatedly so that Tebow could come in and vulture TDs?



Since: Apr 26, 2007
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:13 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Kyle Orton is a top 15 QB whether you want to admit it or not.
Let's see if I can think of 14 guys I would take before Orton (in no particular order):

1.  Sam Bradford
2.  Matt Hasselbeck
3.  Michael Vick
4.  Kelvin Kolb
5.  Eli Manning
6.  Tony Romo
7.  Matt Ryan
8.  Drew Brees
9.  Jay Cutler
10. Aaron Rodgers
11. Matt Cassel
12. Philip Rivers
13. Tom Brady
14. Peyton Manning
15. Matt Schaub
16. Ben Roethlisberger
17. Joe Flacco
18. Carson Palmer

Found more than 14 that I would take before Orton.  I'm certain there may be disagreements out there, but Orton isn't great, he's good, but he isn't great.  This list isn't compiled with all great QB's, but all of them are certainly good, and they are definitely at or above Orton's skill set.



Since: Sep 2, 2006
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:13 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

"I'm just glad we get a football season.." that is....  =)

Have a good one folks!



Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:12 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Denver needs someone that is going to lead the team to victories, not just make sure he doesn't mess up.  Not saying that Tebow is that guy, but Orton has definitely proven he isn't that guy.  Denver would be wise to move on, try out the next guy.
Yeah, he really proved he wasn't that guy when he beat the Patriots. And the Titans. He really proved it when he had to go out game after game to try to make up ridiculous deficits because the defense sucked, racking up huge numbers while trying to keep his team in the game.

As a Packers fan, you should know better. Was Aaron Rodgers "that guy" when Green Bay went 6-10 in his first season? There's only so much a good QB can do. Luckily for Rodgers, Green Bay got their act together. Unluckily for Orton, the Broncos can't seem to.

Orton isn't in Rodgers' class, but he's easily good enough to win games for his team - provided his team has anything to support him. Every aspect of Denver's game had blown chunks for the past two years, except for the passing game. And as Orton proved when Brandon Marshall left town, the passing game's success was entirely on him.


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