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Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Posted on: July 26, 2011 10:23 am
 
Posted by Will Brinson

The NFL's trading season, per the official 2011 NFL calendar, officially opened at 10:00 a.m. ET on Tuesday. But there are already some names (Kevin Kolb!) on the trading block; go ahead and add Kyle Orton of the Broncos to that list.

That's because the Broncos reportedly put Orton up on the block, per Mike Klis of the Denver Post. Klis writes that Denver will "begin the business" of the NFL's season by putting his name out there and will be "entertaining offers for Orton" per sources.

However, Klis doesn't necessarily mention precisely what the Broncos would want in return -- we've previously heard they think he's worth a second-rounder -- but he does say if they don't get the proper value in return they won't bite.

In other words, despite the fact that Tim Tebow's been organizing workouts with receivers this offseason, and despite the reports that the starting quarterback job is "his to lose," well, he's probably still going to end up competing with Orton up until the start of the year. (And, yes, technically Brady Quinn.)

There's definitely a market for quarterbacks out there, but two things really pop out about the way Denver is handling this situation. One, even in Madden, players aren't thrilled with their front office when they're publicly lobbed on the trade market like a piece of meat. And while I understand Denver is all about transparency and yet hasn't said that they'll trade him, come on -- you don't publicly shop a guy for mediocre value and then expect him to come back and be all smiles and sunshine.

Secondly, everyone realizes this is John Fox coaching this club right? John Elway might be in charge of the player and personnel moves, but if we're talking about a Fox-coached football team, you have to remember that this is going to be a run-first, keep-it-safe offense.

And while Tebow might very well be able to play the role of game manager for Foxy, it would be somewhat surprising to see the coach entrust his first year on the job to someone so young.

That being said, if the Broncos can find someone willing to give up a second-round pick for Orton, Fox may not have a choice.

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Comments

Since: Sep 2, 2006
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:09 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Damn I'm glad football chat is back! Good times....here is an interesting stat I was just looking at...

Completions over 20 yards:

Orton--- (63 total out of 293 completions, 52 @ 20+ yards & 11 @ 40+ yards) = 21%... with a QB rating of 87.5 on the season.

Tebow--- (12 total out of 41 completions, 10 @ 20+ yards & 2 @ 40+ yards) = 29%... with a QB rating of 82.1 on the season.


As you can see, they are not far off from one another and Tebow is actually the better big play passer...he just needs to get better with his overall accuracy. What seperates the two, is Tebow's running ability which is why I say get him in there, accept what may be another rough season (possibly), and groom him into our QB of the future. Just my take on it, I'm just we get a football season this year.







Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:05 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Which Kyle Orton have you been watching?
The one who came from behind to beat the Patriots. The one who came from behind to beat the Titans. The one who has been consistently better every single year he's played the game. The one who outperformed the guy he replaced. The one who carried the sorry-ass Broncos for two years, even after Brandon Marshall left town and idiot haters predicted he would suck - instead, he played even better. The one who would hit his reciever in stride 30-40 yards downfield, despite the idiot haters' constant whining bout his arm strength. The one who drove down to the two yard line repeatedly so that Josh McDaniels could send in his golden boy to vulture TDs - without complaint. The one who was on pace to break records last year before injury sidelined him, all during a season in which the rest of the team was eating a big dick. The one who didn't raise a stink when he was sat after the season was toast, so that McDaniels could give his 1sr round pick some playing time.

Every Broncos fan who dumps on Orton makes me smile. I hate Denver, and I'm glad so many idiots don't know what they have in their QB.



Since: Jan 18, 2007
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:01 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

And did I mention he completed almost 60% of his passes while running for his life half the game and having the ball in his hands ALL game?  Sounds to me that the people bashing Orton don't understand how to read QB stats.  2-to-1 TD/interception rate, 59% completion rate on 500 attempts, and most telling--a 87.5 passer rating.  What universe do you live in if those aren't great stats for a QB on a bad team?  Peyton Manning only completes about 35 more passes for the season and he has a great O-line!



Since: Apr 26, 2007
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:00 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Kyle Orton is a top 15 QB whether you want to admit it or not.
I will happily concede top 15 to you, since there are only 12 teams good enough to make it to the playoffs and Kyle Orton started for only one team that made the playoffs (the Bears) and they made it there no thanks to him.  The 2005 season with the Bears Orton had a 59 QB rating with 9 TDs and 13 INTs.  Not very impressive numbers, 

Sure he has improved his numbers, but he's the kind of guy you want when the rest of your team is so good, you need a guy that won't lose it for you, much like Ben Roethlisberger.  If Orton played for Pittsburgh, Steel Town would be slurping Orton juice instead of Ben juice because the rest of that team is so good. 

Denver needs someone that is going to lead the team to victories, not just make sure he doesn't mess up.  Not saying that Tebow is that guy, but Orton has definitely proven he isn't that guy.  Denver would be wise to move on, try out the next guy.



Since: Nov 1, 2006
Posted on: July 26, 2011 4:00 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

@muskermav.....the Broncos would be down by 35 because Orton didn't personally score 36.

And he's not Tim Tebow. He is the 2nd coming, you know.



Since: Jan 18, 2007
Posted on: July 26, 2011 3:55 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

So Orton only does good against 3rd-stringers down by 35?  Well, I just have to ask then:  Why are the Broncos down by 35?

I wouldn't be because of a lack of a defense, would it?  Or no real running back?  Or a barely serviceable O-line?  Or how about no WR depth past Lloyd, and MAYBE Royal?  Yeah, you're right, that's Kyle Orton's fault.

Gimme a break.  When the guy is forced to throw the ball 800 times a game behind a porous line and still has a 87.5 passer rating with over 2-to-1 TD to Int rate, that's not the QB.  Crucifying Orton is that case is like blaming a Yankees loss on C.C. Sabbathia because the bats never came alive.  Think about it, smart stuff.



Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: July 26, 2011 3:55 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Honestly, Denver is a mess, and having a better QB at the helm would only make it slightly less a mess. Why not find out what you have in your 1st-round, young QB while you're sucking? Of course, I hate the Broncos and like Orton, so I may be a little biased, here. I wouldn't mind Orton ending up on a team I could actually root for.

If the 49ers don't try for Orton, they're crazy. Frisco could win now with him, and they'll have little opportunity for that in the future. Once the Rams get up and running under Bradford, it's going to be their division to lose for the forseeable future. But this season, the 49ers could have a very good shot at the division title with Orton at the helm, all while giving their rookie QB a mentor and a year or two to get ready for the NFL. Trading a second round pick for a playoff spot and a crafty veteran to ease your future franchise passer's way sounds equitable to me.



Since: Nov 1, 2006
Posted on: July 26, 2011 3:49 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

What Tim Tebow have you been watching? He couldn't hit water if he fell out of a boat.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: July 26, 2011 3:43 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

If the Broncos play their cards right, they should be able to get at least a second-round pick for Orton.
I would gladly give up a second-round pick for Kyle Orton. He's better than Kevin Kolb and comes cheaper.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: July 26, 2011 3:42 pm
 

Report: Kyle Orton on trading block already

Kolb is on the way. The trade is imminent. Orton to Minny, Miami or maybe even SF.
If that last one happens, I am going to be so ticked at the Cardinals. Bad idea to trade for Kolb. Worse idea to trade DRC for Kolb. Even worse idea if the guy you should trade for ends up with a division rival.


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