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Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Posted on: October 18, 2011 12:12 pm
Edited on: October 19, 2011 3:37 pm
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Posted by Will Brinson



On Tuesday, Oakland shocked the world by dealing two first-round draft picks -- a 2012 first-rounder and a 2013 conditional first-rounder -- for Carson Palmer, retired Bengals quarterback.

Though the Raiders success will determine the long-term winners in this deal, we're prepared to make some knee-jerk reactions right now anyway.

(Ed. Note: We'll have a live chat with Pete Prisco, Mike Freeman, Clark Judge, Will Brinson, Ryan Wilson and Josh Katzowitz starting at 1:00 p.m. tomorrow -- set a reminder below and join us.)


WINNERS
Mike Brown -- I've been on record as saying Brown was a fool for letting Palmer get older without getting something in return for him, despite the fact that he's had ample opportunities to get a significant bounty -- see: the Cardinals overpaying for Kevin Kolb -- in return for someone who refused to play for his team. But this? This is highway robbery. This is Brown pulling off something no one saw coming and making his team better in the long run. Kudos to him for this.

Carson Palmer -- Guess Mike Brown *technically* caved to his demands huh? Sure, Brown would have been a damn fool to pass up what the Raiders gave, but Palmer's now released from the control of Brown and the Bengals and he gets to play football again. Plus, he's doing it for a team that's a contender, a coach he likes and knows, and he has a pile of weapons available that don't spend their time away from the field filming VH-1 shows.

Darrius Heyward-Bey, Denarius Moore -- Put quite simply, they're not going to spend the rest of the year getting speared over the middle and/or trying not to have their ankles broken by a bunch of short-hoppers from Kyle Boller.


Hue Jackson -- Not because he gave up two first-rounders for Palmer. That was dumb. But it appears that Jackson's got the trust of everyone in the Raiders organization, since they just let him peddle the future of the franchise (two first-rounders) for a 31-year-old quarterback.

Jordan Palmer -- Guess who will "earn a backup job with the Raiders" come 2012? Yup, Carson's little bro (who, by the way, I loved at UTEP) is a lock to be holding Kyle Boller's clipboard next season.

LOSERS

Jason Campbell -- He's now most likely played his final snap as a Oakland Raider and that means Campbell will be moving on to yet another offensive coordinator on yet another team. Few first-round quarterbacks have gotten as raw a deal as Campbell in terms of how they've been handled; ironically, he only needs to land in Cincinnati to hit the trifecta of dysfunctional franchises.

Oakland's Next General Manager -- The Raiders' first pick will likely be a compensatory pick near the third round in 2012, thanks to letting Nnamdi Asomugha leave for Philly. But their technical first pick right now is a fifth-rounder. Which means that whatever GM steps into fill Al Davis' shoes better really like a) not working in April and b) Carson Palmer.


Carson Palmer -- Yes, the classic winner and loser move! But hear me out: though Palmer is, as I wrote above, now released, he's also no longer getting to play golf every day and get drunk at USC tailgates on Saturdays. And yeah, he's in a position to make a run at the playoffs, but if he stinks in Oakland, things are going to get awkward for him with the fans and management. There's a lot of pressure.

Palmer to the Raiders

San Diego Chargers -- They're currently 4-1 and the rest of the division was about to be starting Matt Cassel, Tim Tebow and Kyle Boller ... respectively. Without the Raiders making a move, the Chargers were going to waltz to a division title. Now they've got some stiffer competition -- if Palmer can get back his old mojo, Oakland could absolutely challenge for the AFC West crown.

Denver Broncos -- What the hell did they want for Orton exactly? You can't call the Raiders and say "give us a fourth-rounder and he's yours?" Wouldn't Oakland have done that in a heartbeat versus the deal they needed to get a 31-year-old Palmer who costs way more and isn't just a one-year rental? Are the Broncos actually going to play Orton? What is going on there? I thought Josh McDaniels left.

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Since: Jan 6, 2011
Posted on: October 20, 2011 4:39 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Everyone is making far too much fuss about these draft picks.  A football team is made up of a 53 man roster, most teams get 7 draft picks each year.  Besides if it does result in a second first round pick that will mean that the Raiders made an AFC championship game and that the picks were late in the first round anyway.



Since: Sep 18, 2006
Posted on: October 20, 2011 8:23 am
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

Remember that the Raiders have picked in the top 10 almost every year in the last decade. They are loaded with young developing talent. I'm not saying Carson is going to light it up this year, but if he regains his form for the next 3-4 years, then the Raiders are without a doubt going to be contenders for a title. You can't judge this trade until at least mid next season. If he helps make them Super Bowl contenders, then any GM in the league would make that trade in hindsight. After 10 years of loading up on talent they figured now was the right time to go all in. Not that any 2 year stretch is good to go without a 1st, but with how yound and talented they are, I think they will be okay.




Since: Aug 23, 2006
Posted on: October 19, 2011 10:16 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

wow the draft is over rated? i dont even know how to react to this its just so silly.  go back and look at the last 10 years of drafts, i already did, 80% of pro bowlers come from the 1st round.  thats a fact

go back and look from years 11-30 years back and 75% of HOF'ers came from the first round.  thats a fact.

just becasue there are some teams that mess that up doesnt mean that that isnt where the bread gets buttered.

Someone on here tried to make the case that Detroit squandered all those # 1s, they meant to say Matt millen (easily the worst front office person in the history of the nfl) squandered all those #s.  yeah he left and then they drafted, megatron (top 5 wr), Matthew Stafford (pne fo teh best young guns at qb), and then Suh (one of the best young D linemen).....im thinking the 1st round has been very good to Detroit as of late.  

so given the 2 first rounders in back to back years as this will be if the raiders get out of palmer what they are trying to say this trade will get them

Stafford 2009 Suh 2010.  

1st of all, not one team in the entire league would give up Stafford for Palmer much less Suh.  and when you combine the 2, its ridiculous.

it was a bad trade. I get that you want to claim that it wasnt, you're hopeful, its your team, I get it.  My team is the Broncos and as much as I hope Tebow is good, I know that Mcshithead paid too much for him. Im hopeful he comes out and is great, but im not stupid enough to say the trading up when he didnt need to was a good thing. 


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Since: Apr 22, 2010
Posted on: October 19, 2011 9:18 pm
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Since: May 13, 2008
Posted on: October 19, 2011 5:45 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

carson palmer a battle tested warrior his performance will most likely be ok but seriously consider the weapons like darren mcfadden a decent defense palmer will be fine as will the playoff bound raiders



Since: Jul 10, 2007
Posted on: October 19, 2011 4:33 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

You can't blame Palmer for wanting to get out of Cincy.  We don't know eveything that goes on with the management and coaching staff there but from the outside they have looked disfunctional for years.  It was a risk for the Raiders but this is the type of trade Al Davis has always made and it fits well with their history.  I take my hat off to the management for taking a risk and going for it. 

The first round is WAY overrated in the NFL.  The way to build a team is getting those guys in the 4th and 5th and later rounds that can contribute.  You need a few stars at the key positions but it's still a team game. 

I say both teams win.  The Bengals need to rebuild and they have some more picks to help do that.  The Raiders are making a run this year and IMHO Palmer can help them get there. 


Go Niners! 



Since: Sep 29, 2006
Posted on: October 19, 2011 1:29 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

With or without a collar bone break?



Since: Apr 1, 2007
Posted on: October 19, 2011 1:20 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

This is definately a win for Palmer in more ways than one. He's finally got some talented, young wideouts to throw the ball to. Not a couple of divas way past their prime who he made look waaaay better than they obviously were. His numbers should skyrocket with who the Raiders have at WR. Thus, Carson Palmer's legacy will improve immensely with this change in scenery. And, being a number 1 draft pick does not equate to becoming a successful player at the professional level. That's been proven time and again by every team in the league. I'd take a proven pro player over a prospect every day of the week. That's a no-brainer, as was this trade.



Since: Sep 13, 2011
Posted on: October 19, 2011 12:31 pm
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers

No matter the outcome, the ultimate winner has to be Carson Palmer. He benched himself to play elsewhere leaving millions on the table. He wanted a trade and wanted to play this year but for someone else. The spectacle between Palmer and Brown was laughable, although neither backed down and held their ground. For now Brown looks like a hero, Jackson will be a hero if the Raiders are successful and everyone may win big after its all said and done. But whatever the outcome, Carson Palmer got what he wanted.

YOU DA MAN PALMA!!!!!!!!!!

................. but my money is on Bengals lead by Andy Dalton "The Red Rifle".




Since: Mar 7, 2011
Posted on: October 19, 2011 10:59 am
 

Carson Palmer trade: Winners, losers


Denver is broken is so many ways.  Orton would have been a great trade for them - to pick up extra draft picks. 

Draft - WAY overrated.  What everyone fails to mentions is the high failure rate of the first round picks.  Nor do they point out all the teams (cough .. Detroit) that pick in the top 5 every year and fail to improve in any way.  (Noting all those failed picks and MILLIONs of wasted dollars.)  Had detroit traded two of the first round picks to get a franchise QB, things would have turned around a long time ago. 

Raiders did the right move (noting the Jamarcus bust and 30 million down the drain).  They got a QB for now who is solid to go with a team that is ready to contend.  Along with this - they can now look for a young QB to groom behind Palmer.  The Raiders have never had this luxury because they have never had a QB this good since Plunkett (no - Gannon was good because he has 5 seconds to throw the ball - once that was gone - so was he).  This could right the Raiders ship so it was a good move.

I LIKE what New England has done for the most part - trade OUT of the first round.  You LOSE money in the first round.  Wow - are they winning without first round picks?!  Certainly the ones they have taken in recent years are nowhere to be found.  So rethink how valuable the first round of the draft is.  Had McFadden been a bust (and he was certainly looking like it), that would have been another 35 million down the drain (don’t forget Gallery - the consensus first pick in the NFL draft (Raiders drafted second) - another total waste of money.  And NO it's not just the Raiders - start looking at all the first round picks and see the unbelievable failure rate.  In 4 years, we'll look at what the Bengals took with those picks - that's when everyone will say the Raiders had the best end of the deal.  For now, it's the new car syndrome – wow smell that new Pick!  Then the monthly payment starts coming in.  Then the realization you can’t live life anymore because you are committed to something not so great.  Then you realize you bought a lemon and no one will take it off your hands.  Then you realize you are screwed because you spent 30 million dollars and it won’t start.  Yes – first round picks are awesome when they hit – but that is becoming HIGH RISK.  I would trade my first round picks for proven players and out of the first round every year.  The first round of the draft is WAY overrated.



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