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Brandon Lloyd says Tebow's timing could be issue

Posted on: October 28, 2011 12:11 pm
 
LloydPosted by Josh Katzowitz

Tim Tebow has been taking shots from columnists and football analysts while feeling the love of fans from around the country who find him charming (and, of course, a winner and a leader of men).

His teammates rallied around him last Sunday in beating the Dolphins in overtime, but what about a former teammate who was around Tebow and the Broncos earlier this month?

What does receiver Brandon Lloyd think about Tebow and his chances to lead Denver to … well, anywhere?

“I don’t know. I think only time will tell with that style of play,” Lloyd told ESPN 101 in St. Louis (via sportsradiointerviews.com). “I think it is effective last Sunday, but I just don’t know how effective that style can be over the course of long games and playing formidable opponents.”

Tebow's Progress
Lloyd was then asked about Tebow’s mechanics -- which have been ripped by everybody who knows how to grade a quarterback’s motion and footwork. What about the ball coming out of his hand? Is it that much different than other quarterbacks from whom Lloyd has caught passes?

“It’s just the timing,” Lloyd said. “The timing is an issue. There’s just not that much separation that you can get in the NFL. You got a yard on the guy? That is wide open. [Laughs] You got a yard or two yards on the guy you are wide open, but that window…you are not open very long. Any delay in delivering the ball or any delay and not being in the position to be ready to throw the ball when that separation happens … Not being able to deliver that ball before the separation happens? It just throws a monkey wrench into all the time and anything you are trying to accomplish down the field.”

While I don’t think the “Tebow is simply a winner” meme is a good indication of whether Tebow ultimately will be successful (there’s a difference, after all, between winning in college and winning at the pro level consistently), but if he keeps bringing Denver victories, the Tebow criticisms won’t matter.

But the chances of that happening, many still maintain, are slim.

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Comments

Since: Jul 23, 2008
Posted on: October 31, 2011 2:49 pm
 

Brandon Lloyd says Tebow's timing could be issue

The comparisons to Vick and Rodgers are completely unfounded. Vick was a deadly accurate passer at VT, with a cannon for an arm (I know, as a Pitt fan, I watched him beat the crap out of us). His initial lack of success in the NFL was due more to his laziness and crappy attitude, which are much easier to fix than bad mechanics. Rodgers was an obvious stud right out of the gate; he played for a team in transition, which obviously hurt his win/loss record, but anyone who knows talent could tell he was a budding star just waiting for the right support players.

Tebow was a winner in college, and a damn exciting player to watch as well. However, if you had put any running QB behind that monster Florida O-line, they also would have been successful. He was able to find wide open recievers because defenses were always playing the run. Part of that is Tebow's running ability (which only partly translates in the NFL); much more of it was due to the wide open lanes opened up for him by the Pouncey brothers.

Lloyd is right, an open receiver in the NFL is very different, and accuracy and timing are extremely important. If he can't change his throwing motion after 2 years to at least resemble an NFL QB, than I highly doubt he will every be able to do it. He should have gone into the draft as an H-back/TE, not as a QB. His own pride will be the cause of his own downfall. Oh, that, and a misinformed segment of the Denver fanbase (almost seems like a majority) that confuses morality with ability. And that idiot little-boy coach who wasted a first round pick on him.




Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: October 31, 2011 12:47 pm
 

Brandon Lloyd says Tebow's timing could be issue

Let's get away from Tebow for a moment and look at the bigger picture.

The Broncos are horrible.  Their running game is bad, they just traded away their best WR who wasn't all that good to begin with, their defense is not very good--I could have thrown that ball to Titus Young yesterday--and they are asking this kid to try and win.  That's a tall assignment for anyone.

Now, throw in that he is simply not ready to play in the NFL, and he looks bad out there.  His mechanics are awful and he holds the ball way too long.  Even the Dolphins got 7 sacks against him.  Does that mean he can't be a decent QB in the league?  No, but he's got a long way to go, and his current team isn't going to help him very much.  He had some moments yesterday, but they were few and far between.




Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: October 28, 2011 2:49 pm
 

Brandon Lloyd says Tebow's timing could be issue

Can you imagine what would have happened if Green Bay had decided to label Aaron Rodgers a "loser" or "not an NFL quarterback" after his 6-10 inaugural performance as the starting QB for the Packers? Some other team would have been enjoying a Super Bowl victory last year.

So let's get off the "hate Tebow" bandwagon, not base all of our opinions on one game, one throw or one series and let the man's performance on the field speak for itself.

Are you talking about a year when Rodgers threw for over 4000 yards and a passer rating of around 95?  Or the next season maybe when he threw for almost 4500 yards and his passer rating was over 100?   C'mon man, give me a break.  Of course nobody is going to dump a qb with stats like that, but Tim Tebow is nowhere near the QB Rodgers is and he will never be that good.  His mechanics are off the charts retarded, but yeah, he can run.  We'll see how he runs in the NFL though over time....

Tebow is in the NFL for his marketing potential, I believe if not for that he would have been a 3rd or 4th round pick.  He's extremely popular and brings in big dollars, thus the first round selection and big dollars.  Other then that, I don't see a thing I like... 



Since: Jul 24, 2007
Posted on: October 28, 2011 1:26 pm
 

Brandon Lloyd says Tebow's timing could be issue

It's funny, looking at all these posts, especially the ones that want to hate on Tebow.  Someone tweeted last night on ESPN's show w/ Dilfer, Rice & Edwards the following:

"Why does everyone seem to talk about Tebow like he's the second coming of Elway or Leaf 2.0?"

That pretty much nails it.  Tebow isn't another John Elway, but he isn't a bust, either.  At least, not yet.  Everyone expected that Tebow wouldn't go until at least the third round, but Josh McDaniels wanted to jump up and get him in the first when he probably could have at least waited until the second round.  That isn't Tebow's fault, nor should it be held against him.

When Michael Vick couldn't complete 55% of his passes in his first THREE years in the league, the media said, "Well, you just can't judge Vick as if he were a normal quarterback."  By contrast, the media seems more than willing to bury Tebow before he's even had a a full year's chance as a starter to prove himself... and to improve on his shortcomings, whether it be timing, reads, etc.

Most players say that the biggest transition from college to the NFL is the SPEED of the game.  There is an adjustment period for most players.  Some players need a longer adjustment time than others.  Some players never do get up to speed.  But before LABELING Tebow, can we please have some patience and just give him an opportunity to show whether he can be successful at the NFL level or not?

Can you imagine what would have happened if Green Bay had decided to label Aaron Rodgers a "loser" or "not an NFL quarterback" after his 6-10 inaugural performance as the starting QB for the Packers? Some other team would have been enjoying a Super Bowl victory last year.

So let's get off the "hate Tebow" bandwagon, not base all of our opinions on one game, one throw or one series and let the man's performance on the field speak for itself.


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Since: Oct 28, 2011
Posted on: October 28, 2011 12:52 pm
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Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: October 28, 2011 12:42 pm
 

Brandon Lloyd says Tebow's timing could be issue

  One game is not really the greatest sample to justify giving up on a QB.

Very True.  Poor mechanics can be worked on, and so can timing.  He is in his second year and raw, so maybe that delay is because he is slow to break everything down mentally.  That is not uncommon for someone who has not played a lot of NFL games yet.

But the same argument is also true for "he just wins".   You know who else "just wins"?  Everyone who has played the Dolphins all year. 

Both sides of the Tebow argument are making rash decisions.



Since: Apr 25, 2009
Posted on: October 28, 2011 12:40 pm
 

Brandon Lloyd says Tebow's timing could be issue

@ Teres Minor - And yet having played four years of college ball and practiced for now a couple years with Denver hasn't done a thing to rectify Tebow's hitched delivery.  Game experience will yield improvement in many aspects of his game, but it won't change his mechanics and poor delivery time.



Since: Jun 5, 2011
Posted on: October 28, 2011 12:29 pm
 

Brandon Lloyd says Tebow's timing could be issue

Timing comes with game experience.  The NFL has painted itself into a 40-year box on offense, and the result has been that most QB's have to be tall with a quick release.  Having a QB like Tebow is a great opportunity to evolve an offense and do more than the same twenty plays that everybody runs.  Tebow will be fine with the right coaching.  And if it doesn't work out, he can play TE/H-back.  
 
The most important thing right now is for Tebow to get game experience.  One game is not really the greatest sample to justify giving up on a QB.  Let's see how he does the next few games.  Then, let's see how he does after defenses start to adjust to his skill set.  It will all come out in the wash. 



Since: Dec 2, 2007
Posted on: October 28, 2011 12:25 pm
 

Brandon Lloyd says Tebow's timing could be issue

Josh-
Thanks for the article... It was interesting to hear Lloyd's view on it...  And opportune, considering he's no longer a Bronco so felt free to be honest about his own assessment of Tebow...  I'd never heard a receiver describe what "being open" is like in the NFL...  That it's a very small window of opportunity, and even the tiniest little hitch in a QB's mechanics can make that window too small to exploit.  And it makes total sense, too.  I like Tebow, personally, but have always had doubts about his ability to be precise and efficient enough in the NFL game.  Time will tell.  Thanks again for the insight.


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