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Who Ya Got: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

Posted on: November 1, 2011 10:35 pm
Edited on: November 2, 2011 1:01 pm
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Posted by Will Brinson



Sometimes the most difficult questions can only be answered by bringing the brightest minds together, Roundtable style. Today's question: who would you rather have right now, Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

If Andrew Luck left Stanford last year, the Carolina Panthers were going to take him No. 1 overall in the 2011 NFL Draft. He didn't, and they were "stuck" with Cam Newton, one of the most highly-debated quarterback prospects in NFL history.

Cam's been, um, pretty good this year, if you'll indulge a little reverse hyperbole. But is he good enough to warrant passing on Luck, the biggest can't-miss prospect since John Elway in 1983? Who would you take right now if you had to pick one quarterback -- Luck or Cam?



Pete Prisco: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?  Isn't that like asking whether you want pepperoni pizza or sausage pizza? Prefer DeNiro or Pacino? You can't go wrong with either of them, even if they are different.

Newton, the Panthers' hotshot rookie, has proven a lot of doubters wrong. He hasn't played like a rookie, and he sure doesn't play like some expected. He is a pocket passer, not a player who runs around. He isn't Vince Young, but more like Ben Roethlisberger.  As for Luck, he might be the cleanest NFL prospect since John Elway. I love the way he plays the game. He is smart, accurate, tough and carries himself like the next great star.

So who's my choice? I'll take Luck -- but barely.

PS: I like both sausage and pepperoni on my pie.

Mike Freeman:This is a serious question? Take a player who is proving to be one of the most dynamic rookies in history over an unproven commodity? Take the next great quarterback over a guy whom we have no idea how he'll react once the Klieg lights start to burn?

Not only would I take Newton over Luck. I'd take Christian Ponder as well.

Just remember these two words when anyone guarantees how a college player is going to star on the next level: JaMarcus Russell.

Clark Judge: This one's a no-brainer. I'll choose Andrew Luck because he's the perfect pro prospect, trained in a pro system where he takes snaps from center, operates out of the pocket and has experience with reads and progressions. No, he can't run like Cam Newton, but what do you want -- a quarterback or a running back? Me? I want someone who wins, is accurate, knows where to go with the football, makes quick and smart decisions and doesn't make stupid mistakes. Andrew Luck not only is the best quarterback in this year's draft; he's the best player, period. And he might be the best prospect in years. He took a program that hasn't had a history of great success, put it on his shoulders and carried it into the top 10. I have no doubt he can do that at the next level. 


Ryan Wilson: Without hestitation: Cam Newton. The simple answer is that we've seen Newton for two months and not only is he a legit NFL quarterback, but if he continues to improve, even if incrementally, he's a top-10 quarterback.

Luck, by all accounts, is a once-in-a-genration talent, the best, most complete passer since John Elway in the early '80s. I don't disagree but here's the thing: say you watched last Saturday's Stanford-USC game on a black and white television and the decals had been removed from the helmets. Would it it be obvious to you that Luck was the superior talent compared to Matt Barkley? Did Luck even outplay Barkley?

Josh Katzowitz: We've seen what Newton can do in a real, live NFL game. We've seen him use his amazing athleticism. We've seen his arm strength. We haven't seen him win much, but he will. What do we know about Andrew Luck? He's one hell of a college player. But so was Tim Tebow. So was Eric Crouch and JaMarcus Russell. Hell, even Jason White was pretty damn good in college. I'm not saying Luck is like any of those guys, and I'm not saying Luck can't be a better quarterback than Newton. But we know what we've got so far in Newton. We don't know squat about how Luck will perform in real, live NFL games. I'll go with the awesome present instead of taking my chances on a future that might or might not be more awesome.

Will Brinson: You know how we spend every waking moment debating Tim Tebow's existence? You might have forgotten, but we did the exact same thing all summer long, only it was about Cam Newton and whether he could be an NFL quarterback. We are no longer doing that, because Newton's doing something that Andrew Luck hasn't done yet: succeed in the NFL. Even the Panthers would probably admit if Luck had left Stanford they would have taken him, because Newton wasn't a sure thing.

But he's a sure thing now, unlike Luck. Don't get me wrong -- I buy the hype on the Stanford quarterback. And he could very well be a once-in-a-generation guy. 

But Cam Newton and all his physical abilities are once-in-a-lifetime. We've never seen a person play quarterback that has the combination of mobility, physical stature, arm strength, etc., as Newton. Now that he's shown he can adapt to the NFL game and that his learning curve is vastly shorter than any of us ever imagined, the sky is absolutely the limit with him as an NFL quarterback. And while we may eventually see someone like Newton again, it certainly won't be in next year's draft.

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Since: Oct 18, 2006
Posted on: November 2, 2011 12:07 pm
 

Who Ya Got: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

What an excellent and tricky question. If you're a bird in the hand type guy you would have to say, based off of what we know now? Cam Newton. You take what you know over what you don't nearly every time.

Now, if you have a rewind and have the choice over who you take, who do you take between the two? NFL guys would take Luck all day, every day. He's the prototypical QB in pretty much every respect and aspect. The flaws in his game are not there and if they are there you get the impression he's gonna do everything to fix them. He seems like he has his head on as straight as it can be and he seems like he can talk more than just some incoherent mumble.

Cam Newton had questions concerning his intelligence and his predilection to run first vice pass. It doesn't matter if these concerns were unfounded. At the time, they were there. So much so that people legitimately had Cam going 10th, not first, even without Luck there, and there was legit debate over Cam vice some guy named Blaine.

Very good question, CBS. And for Clark Judge, who has taken every possible pot shot at Newton that can be taken, don't ask the question of 'what do you want, a running back or quarterback' then praise Luck by saying 'he's the best player period', as if Luck's skills transcend quarterback.

It's very possible in a few years both QBs could be performing fantastically. Let's hope so! The league can never have enough good QBs.



Since: Aug 22, 2008
Posted on: November 2, 2011 11:49 am
 

Who Ya Got: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

We need to remember that it takes a rookie at any position to explode and compete in the NFL.  For Cam to shatter that standard, is incredible. 

I watched him play vs. GB and WASH. His passing and arm strength is highly underrated. If it wasn't for Capers DEF scheme packages, GB loses. 

Cam is assisted by having a top tier WR that "Go gets it".  Clearly and quickly the Panthers see they need to shore a 2nd WR to expand their passing game. Having Pro Bowl TEs are also benefitting in Cam's abilities.

The Panthers are racked by injuries and inexperience, but are competitive in every game. They lost this Sunday by a missed FG at the end.  

The question is always asked: What if Luck is Brittle? And yes, he was outplayed by Barkley this poast Saturday.




Since: Oct 20, 2011
Posted on: November 2, 2011 11:30 am
 

Who Ya Got: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

While Luck may big the best QB prospect since Elway, he is still just that... a prospect. I would take Cam Newton, what he is doing with the Panthers is amazing. For someone who was supposed to be inaccurate, and have trouble with his mechanics I have  seen play after play where he is accurate and can put touch on the ball when needed. As for which will be the best, thats for time to tell.




Since: Dec 7, 2007
Posted on: November 2, 2011 11:26 am
 

Who Ya Got: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

Yeah good luck with Luck's zero win total. Last time I checked, it is hard for any QB to rack up wins with the worst special teams in football and damn near the worst defense, but yeah it's all Cam why the panthers are 2-6! Give me a break man do you know anything about football?



Since: Dec 7, 2007
Posted on: November 2, 2011 11:22 am
 

Who Ya Got: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

No Brainer? Sounds about right Clark, you have no brain! Look, I like Luck alot also and was devastated as a panther fan when he decided to stay in school. At that point, I was hoping to improve the D-line with the first pick. Marty Hurney and Rivera had a different idea. They gambled on Newton, and boy did that gamble pay off immediately. He has proven every doubter (including myself) dead wrong. He is as good a passer an ANYONE in football. Once he learns defenses a little better, it will be scary how good he will be. Hell, he is already a top 5 NFL qb. I know I know, he hasnt produced wins yet, but have you watched the panthers? They have the WORST special teams in football bar NONE and their defense is riddled with injuries and sit near the bottom of the NFL as well. Yet, because and ONLY because of Cam Newton, the panthers have been in every game against the best teams in football. They are the only team to even scare the Green Bay Packers, and Green Bay has a MUCH better over all team! So you are telling me that it is a no brainer to go with Luck?!?!?! I have to question your overall intelligence on that! When a guy comes in a plays better than any QB rookie has ever played, and you would take a COLLEGE guy over him?! REALLY!? I mean I think Luck will be good, but will he be Manning good or Brady good or even NEWTON good? I feel sorry for the expectations that guy has on him. I think you need to watch the panthers play before you go and say something idiotic like that, because clearly you have not watched Newton enough yet. If you have, and you still think it's a no brainer to pick Luck then either you are straight crazy or you think Luck with be other worldly good because thats about how good Newton has been so far. This is coming from an admittedly doubter of Cam out of college. But I for one do not doubt what my eyes tell me which apparently you do!

Sincerely,

Football fan with common sense!


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Since: Nov 1, 2011
Posted on: November 2, 2011 11:17 am
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Since: Nov 2, 2011
Posted on: November 2, 2011 10:37 am
 

Who Ya Got: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

I would descriibe his " success" as proving that he can not only compete at the pro NFL level that he is quite good at the new level. I point to his " success"  is the fact that despite so many obsticals such as the time lost to training due to strike, the fact he did not play a pro formed under the center offense, was a rookie with a new team which was the worst NFL team last year with a new coach, new offense and new defense yet has broken so many rookie qb records in such a short time. I go on to call " success" when he gets the respect from his teammates, the coaching staff, players and coaches he has played against as well as respect from the many experts who had said that he would struggle, that he would fail or be a bust, the same who said he would not be a pocket qb he could not understand theNFL level offense or read the NFL level defense. It you put it all together that is what I call success not tae amount of games they win which is a team effort.



Since: Nov 2, 2011
Posted on: November 2, 2011 10:33 am
 

Who Ya Got: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

You don't like Newton's 2 wins in the NFL so you would prefer Luck's ZERO wins in the NFL? If you've seen Newton play recently you would know he's at least as intelligent with his passes as Dalton (who threw 2 ints his last game). He's not a game manager because his team needs him to do more, the defense sucks compared to the Bengals who have a very good defense.



Since: Jul 13, 2011
Posted on: November 2, 2011 10:32 am
 

Who Ya Got: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

With no disrespect to da_packers158's WHOLE POST and no comment by anyone else either "BUT THIS IS TRULY JUST A STUPID QUESTION OVERALL"...........PERIOD!!! 



Since: Jul 28, 2008
Posted on: November 2, 2011 9:17 am
 

Who Ya Got: Cam Newton or Andrew Luck?

"Newton's doing something that Andrew Luck hasn't done yet: succeed in the NFL"

What, exactly, is your definition of success? Last I checked, Cam's team is 2 - 6.  A 30% win rate is success?!?

In fantasy football, I'll take Cam in a heartbeat.  In real football, give me Luck every time.  Hell, give me Andy Dalton over Cam.  I'll take an intelligent game manager who knows football and doesn't try to personally win every game.  One on eleven (or two on eleven if you count Steve Smith- the primary reason Cam's stats are so good) is not a winning formula in thr NFL.


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