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Ex-Bucs QB King: Gruden 'is inherently dishonest'

Posted on: November 2, 2011 11:39 am
Posted by Will Brinson

Keyshawn Johnson had some interesting things to say about Jon Gruden, a fellow employee at ESPN and his former coach, when he recently ripped the environment in Tampa Bay.

On Tuesday, former Buccaneers quarterback and current radio host Shaun King said on WQYK-AM 1010 (via expounded on some of that talk, ripping Gruden pretty thoroughly.

"Jon has a major character flaw in that if he's not the center of attention, it's a problem," King said. "It is what it is. Ala the 'Chucky face.' You look at the NFL Films, it's just ironic, anytime that he's mic'd up or filmed, the 'Chucky face,' you know, it's showcased a lot more than normal."

King went on to say that Gruden "wasn't a guy that a lot of his players were endeared to" and that the coach-turned-broadcaster "is inherently dishonest."

That's a lot of mud that just got slung Gruden's way, but if anyone has actual knowledge of Gruden's behavior with the Buccaneers, it's King, who led the team to an NFC Championship Game.

That being said, you could pretty easily argue that all of mankind is "inherently dishonest" and that none of the traits that King described will keep Gruden, who recently signed a five-year extension with Monday Night Football, from being a popular name rumored as a candidate for open coaching positions around the NFL.

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Since: Mar 29, 2008
Posted on: November 2, 2011 4:07 pm

Ex-Bucs QB King: Gruden 'is inherently dishonest'

I'm sure the biggest lie was telling King that he believed in him....he didn't and neither did anyone else.  King only did this for ratings

Since: Oct 18, 2007
Posted on: November 2, 2011 3:54 pm

Ex-Bucs QB King: Gruden 'is inherently dishonest'

Gruden is very annoying on MNF because he always likes or loves something.

Since: Oct 24, 2011
Posted on: November 2, 2011 3:51 pm

Ex-Bucs QB King: Gruden 'is inherently dishonest'

Shaun king is a joke.  He made it to one NFC championship game.  Besides that, the guy was nothing but a career backup.  I like Jon Gruden and his passion for the game in every aspect. 

Since: Feb 4, 2011
Posted on: November 2, 2011 3:31 pm

Gruden sucks, but at least he's not Dennis Miller

I call this guy Pinnochio, because he's a LIAR

Since: Nov 21, 2006
Posted on: November 2, 2011 3:24 pm

Ex-Bucs QB King: Gruden 'is inherently dishonest'

Inherently irrelevant enough for you to take time out of your day to comment on him.

Since: Jun 4, 2007
Posted on: November 2, 2011 2:59 pm

Ex-Bucs QB King: Gruden 'is inherently dishonest'

Shaun King is inherently irrelevant.

Since: Jun 5, 2011
Posted on: November 2, 2011 2:38 pm

Shaun King is right

It was Tony Dungy who built the Bucs, and it was the acquisition of Gruden that eventually tore them apart.  Luckily for Dungy, he was able to walk into a situation where he could win the Super Bowl he deserved to win in Tampa.  Chucky was a media star in the locker room; he is now where he belongs.  
Gruden is a lot like Billy Martin.  Players buy in for a year or two, but everyone tunes him out after four or five years.  This makes him, like Bobby Knight, perfect for college coaching.  In college, the players don't stay long enough to tune out the coach.  By the fifth year, they are seniors, and are expected to be leaders.  That is just enough of a "carrot" to keep them pulliing the cart until they leave.  If they come back as coaches, that is another "carrot," and there is a coaching ladder to climb.
I hope Gruden stays on television, where he belongs.  He is a natural, and it is the best place for him.  If he ever gets back into coaching, though, I hope it is in college.  In the NFL, the players want the limelight because it makes them money.  In college, a coach who deflects the publicity from the players to himself is often a strong positive. 

Since: Jun 19, 2008
Posted on: November 2, 2011 2:14 pm

Ex-Bucs QB King: Gruden 'is inherently dishonest'

"If anyone has actual knowledge" it's not Shaun King.  First, it's a joke to say that King "led" the Bucs to the NFC Championship game... it's more like he occupied the position of QB.  King played the last 6 games that season when Trent Dilfer went down with injury.  In those 6 games, he threw 7 TDs against 4 INTs, and had a decent, but unspectacular QB rating of 82.4.  In the playoffs, the Bucs beat the Redskins, with King completing less than half his passes, and with a QB rating of 59.0.  In the next playoff game, the NFC Championship, King's QB rating was 34.1.

More importantly, as another poster mentioned, Gruden wasn't even the coach of that team. 

King was eventually demoted to the second string, while still under Tony Dungy.  When John Gruden arrived, King was on the decline of a short, promising, but ultimately unsuccessful career, and Gruden moved King further down the depth chart, when King languished as the #2/3 QB for two seasons, including the one where he earned a Super Bowl ring under Gruden in spite of not playing in that game.

King never broke into the 80's in season QB rating again after that first season, under Tony Dungy.

I'm not a big fan of Gruden on MNF, but he's much better than the guy he replaced.  But Gruden won a Super Bowl in Tampa Bay without help from Shaun King, and now Gruden is on MNF, while King is an AM radio show host.  Maybe it's a slight case of sour grapes.

Since: Sep 17, 2008
Posted on: November 2, 2011 2:14 pm

Ex-Bucs QB King: Gruden 'is inherently dishonest'

What does his playing ability have to do with whether or not his remarks are true?  Talented payer=trust worthy, not so talented player=liar?

Since: Dec 27, 2007
Posted on: November 2, 2011 1:56 pm

Ex-Bucs QB King: Gruden 'is inherently dishonest'

And here I thought he was just inherently stupid.

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