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Rivers 'not hurt,' frustrated by injury questions

Posted on: November 7, 2011 10:08 am
Edited on: November 7, 2011 12:28 pm
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Posted by Will Brinson

Despite throwing four touchdown passes, Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers still had a pretty rough day in San Diego's 45-38 loss to Green Bay Sunday.

Rivers threw three interceptions, two of which were returned by the Green Bay secondary for touchdowns, and the other which sealed the Packers victory. Adding salt to the proverbial wound was Rivers having to answer questions about his health, again.

"I appreciate everybody trying to come up with a theory and a reason but I’m not hurt," an exasperated Rivers said following San Diego's loss on Sunday. "I’ve thrown a handful of picks that I normally don’t throw and I’ll probably throw some more throughout my career and there won’t always be a reason why. I prepare, I give everything I’ve got, give our guys everything I’ve got, and they fooled me once today and the other one got tipped.
The one at the end, I wish I would’ve thrown it up high and deep and given Vincent a chance but I didn’t.

"Health is not an issue, it’s never been an issue on any interception I’ve ever thrown in eighteen years of football."

It's hard to blame Rivers for getting a little frustrated at all the questions about an injury that everyone seems to think he might be hiding -- the media seems determined to peg Rivers' struggles on the fact that he's hurt something.

The reality is probably closer to what Chargers owner Dean Spanos noted on Sunday after the game to NBC's Alex Flanagan.

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"Sometimes you just have an off year," Spanos said. "That is what Philip Rivers is having so far."

Interestingly, Rivers isn't the only one struggling with interceptions this season -- Drew Brees, Tom Brady and Rivers have combined for a whopping 35 interceptions on the season. Those three quarterbacks threw 39 all of last year, with 22 of them coming from Brees.

That's not supposed to excuse Rivers play, because he's only thrown 11 touchdowns against his 14 picks. But assume Rivers is having a bad year.

And then add in the fact that he's dealt with injuries to Antonio Gates (which hurts his red zone and touchdown production) and several wideouts (hurting his timing with his weapons).

That adds up to a much more logical reason for his struggles than some mystery injury.

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Since: Sep 28, 2006
Posted on: November 8, 2011 9:55 am
 

Rivers 'not hurt,' frustrated by injury questions

Good points ChargersguyAZ and SDChamps94.

I have also noticed that Philip Rivers is staring down his receivers and he is not seeing open receivers. It looks like he sees that is 1st and 2nd options are covered and then just stares down his 3rd option but if he quickly glanced back he would see that his 1st or 2nd option has come open. That is exactly what happen on the 2nd interception that the Packers ran back for a TD.  Rivers had a guy wide open running down the middle of the field but once he looked to the flat he never looked back.

It may be that he is feeling pressure so he does not take the extra second to rescan the receivers.

When Rivers does choose his target, he needs to look off that man and use some more pump fakes. He is staring down his targets.

The pump fake is so under used but it is such an effective tool. Ben Roethlisberger uses it a lot and effectively. It reminds me of body punches in boxing. If a fighter seriously uses body punches at the beginning of a fight for several rounds it is almost always effective at slowing the opponent yet so few boxers do it.

I hope Rivers turns it around soon because without the normal Rivers from the last few years the Chargers will do nothing if they are lucky enough to make the Playoffs.



Since: Dec 27, 2010
Posted on: November 7, 2011 10:36 pm
 

Rivers 'not hurt,' frustrated by injury questions

The one thing I admire about Rivers is that he's not taking the easy way out nad just saying yeah I have a sore shoulder or something like that.  He's just not playing great and he knows it.

See what happens after his fave Gates gets back to 100% speed and strength wise if there is any difference.  The can still win the AFC West IMO.



Since: Oct 8, 2006
Posted on: November 7, 2011 9:54 pm
 

Rivers 'not hurt,' frustrated by injury questions

As usual NCH makes some savy points. Rivers has been bad late in games.
In the Chiefs game when Hali knocked the ball out of his hands on 2nd and eight he had time to pick it up and throw it out of bounds. He was outside the tackle box. Instead he falls on it and it is now 3rd and 18. A tough play? Yes, but great players find a way and 3rd and eight is manageable compared to 3rd and 18. We punted and never got the ball again.

I'm not ready to bring in Volek yet but it is clear that someone is not playing up to contract and that needs to change.



Since: Dec 26, 2009
Posted on: November 7, 2011 8:55 pm
 

Rivers' Throwing Mechanics IS THE Problem

I haven't read one article mentioning or dissecting the real problem with Phillip Rivers this year. Clark Judge did describe his throwing style as "grotesque" but that's about it.

If you've been watching closely this year he has regressed to a throwing style more or less like trying to shuffle the ball forward from the shoulder/pectoral level. At this height, the ball has been prone to tips, knocks, and bounces off linemen helmets and fingertips. Also, while he used to time his throws (like a couple of darts to Vincent Jackson for TDs in the Green Bay game yesterday) he has been aiming the ball like hoping Antonio Gates will catch it from behind or from his ankles. Phillip Rivers has been inaccurate throwing to his wideouts underthrowing (like that last pick by the Packers to seal the game) or completely missed the routes.

I think Phillip Rivers next move should be to talk with his QB coach (or, Lord help us, Norv the Genius). He really needs to get his throwing style back above his shoulder much as he did a few good throws yesterday. He has been so inconsistent with his focus and timing. They need to work these out during practice or two.

As for Norv the Genius, he needs to break out his QB-coaching expertise that made Troy Aikman a HoF member. Instill trust in Phillip's playcalling abilities especially late in the 4th quarter or running the 2-minute drill. The last time the Chargers ran the 2-min drill against the Jets in week 7 was a pure definition of a cluster-F with no play strategy whatsoever, Phillip-vs-Norv miscommunications, run-up-the-middle?, short throws to tailback on slots?, you name it. It was a complete mess. Time management was also non-existent.

So, all these problems that the Chargers are experiencing this year points to focus, practice, and preparations - all pointing back to the head coach and hist staff. Dean Spanos is just covering the obvious to all Chargers fans - he must look for a replacement and soon. This must not be allowed to continue.




Since: Jan 9, 2007
Posted on: November 7, 2011 6:34 pm
 

CHARGERS BLOW

SD FINDS A WAY TO GIVE AWAY GAMES EVERY YEAR.  IF IT'S NOT RIVERS, IT'S TOLBERT.  IF IT'S NOT TOLBERT, ITS THE KICK OFF TEAM.  IF ITS NOT THE KICKOFF TEAMS, ITS THE PUNTER.  IF ITS NOT THE PUNTER, ITS THE FIELD GOAL KICKER CHOKING IN THE PLAYOFFS.  IF ITS NOT HIM, ITS NORV MAKING A STUPID CALL.  OR A COLLECTION OF GUYS MAKING PERSONAL FOULS OR PENALTIES.  OR ITS RYAN MATHEWS FUMBLING.  VS NY JETS, PITT, NEW ENGLAND (WITH BRADY) AND THE RAVENS, THE CHARGERS ARE 0-10 SINCE 2006.  THEY CANT BEAT THESE TEAMS AND THEY WILL NEVER MAKE THE SUPERBOWL UNTIL THEY CAN.



Since: Sep 16, 2010
Posted on: November 7, 2011 6:28 pm
 

Rivers 'not hurt,' frustrated by injury questions

It's about time for things to start going San Diego's way.



Since: Aug 31, 2007
Posted on: November 7, 2011 5:53 pm
 

Rivers 'not hurt,' frustrated by injury questions

Couldn't Agree more....Nch pfffff.....



Since: Sep 19, 2006
Posted on: November 7, 2011 4:12 pm
 

Rivers 'not hurt,' frustrated by injury questions

nch - I am not sure what team you are watching.  I would never call Rivers a Choke artist - he has a few come backs to his name so far, including some amazing ones (a 21 to 20 last gasp victory over the Giants in New York a few years back comes to mind).  He is having a bad year....

As for the unprofessionallism in the 2 minute drill.... I have to question  your football knowledge, and certainly knowledge of the player.  The 2 minute drill gaffe's weren't on Rivers, that was on Norv Turner.  In a 2 minute drill you DONT change personnel packages until the clock is stopped - you have a series of play calls ready to go and you get them in quickly.  Turner swapped packages twice and seemed lost on what to call. 

Now - if they would let Phillip call the plays from the lineup in a true hurry up style, then it would be different.  But this offense is 100% coach called.

The Fumble at the end of the Cheifs game - that was pretty pathetic.  But Rivers has not built a legacy on these types of last minute goofs - its 3 games this year.  In the previous seasons, he was often the only guy to show up to every game. Romo has a legacy of last minute mistakes that he constantly has to fight against.

Volek isn't the answer.

And this Season, Rivers has cost the bolts 3 games, but led them to 4 wins.  The loss to New England was a team loss - Rivers doesn't get to shoulder that one alone.   But 3 games in 1 off season does not a legacy make....




Since: Sep 18, 2009
Posted on: November 7, 2011 2:50 pm
 

Rivers 'not hurt,' frustrated by injury questions

i hate to agree with you because i like rivers and the chargers but he has single handledly given the game away three times this year atleast and to teams with varying degrees of talent

having said that, a line that protects doesnt put you in a position to fumble the ball, a tipped pass is hard to blame qb etc.

i certainly disagree with the volek assessment, rivers is usually top 5 qb, volek will not be that good ever



Since: Jul 27, 2011
Posted on: November 7, 2011 10:26 am
 

Rivers 'not hurt,' frustrated by injury questions

The interceptions are just a part of the equation. The real problem is his total inability to WIN at the end of games. Although he has put the team in many bad positions this year, they have had a chance to comeback in all of them, but Rivers is a total choke artist. Witness his total lack of professionalism at the end of the Jets game. I have never seen a 'professional' quarterback look so overwhelmed by the situation in the two minute drill. His fumble at the end of regulation was more pathetic than any Romo miscue. If Rivers wants to be considered an NFL quarterback he has to deliver at the end of game. The Chargers are hurting their chances by sticking with this guy.  Even when they win against bad teams, the defense has had to intercept balls at the end of the game because Rivers can't keep the offense on the field. I know that the backup quarterback is the most popular guy in town when you are losing, but I think Billy Volek might be the answer. River is doing an incredible job of preventing the Chargers from winning.


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