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Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

Posted on: November 15, 2011 3:00 pm
Edited on: November 16, 2011 6:00 am
Things got chippy between Chicago and Detroit Sunday, and the NFL will no doubt punish them accordingly. (Getty Images)

Posted by Ryan Wilson

If the Lions were as aggressive between the whistles as they were after it against the Bears on Sunday, the final score would've been a lot closer than 37-13. Instead, Chicago's defense took advantage of four Matthew Stafford interceptions (including two pick-sixes), Devin Hester added a special-teams touchdown, and Jay Cutler and the offense just got out of the way.

Well, they tried to anyway.

Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh ripped Cutler's helmet off after a tackle (he called it "part of the game"). Later in the game, Suh's teammate, Nick Fairley, drove Cutler into the turf on a late hit. (See here and here for the video evidence.)

Stafford also started a fight when, following his third interception, he brought Bears' cornerback D.J. Moore  to the ground by grabbing his helmet (see the video below). Moore, unimpressed, went after Stafford and just like that, it was on like Donkey Kong.

"I thought the play on Stafford was a little bit over the line," Lions linebacker Justin Durant said, according to's Anwar Richardson. "That's how I feel about it. He was just trying to make a play. He had thrown an interception and was trying to get there. The guy just took it overboard."

Bears linebacker Brian Urlacher, appearing on ESPN Radio Chicago, had a different take on the play.

“Their defense was saying something to our sideline late in the game after D.J. Moore beat up their quarterback [Matthew Stafford]. They said some stuff to our sidelines. I don’t know what…their defense was saying something to our sidelines. I don’t know what it was, but there is ways to handle things and there is ways to not handle things. I don’t know…they are a good football team. No doubt about that. They don’t do very good when they get beat up I guess.”

You can judge for yourself if Moore beat up Stafford:

The Lions and Bears mix it up after Stafford takes down Jennings.

Either way, both teams can expect heavy fines, and Durant realizes as much.

"I can imagine some people will have some $20,000 fines," he said. "I'm not sure who was doing what or if anybody was throwing blows. … One time when I was in Jacksonville, we had a fight against the Titans and a couple of guys came off the sidelines and they got fined just for stepping across the sidelines. More than likely, there are going to be some fines."

Using history and the NFL's haphazard approach to punishing players as a guide, we'd wager that, yes, there will be a lot of fines coming out of this.

Lions wide receiver Nate Burelson added: "If you go out there and throw some blows, you got to expect that FedEx letter in your locker."

Much of the conversation this season has been about how the Lions, and Suh in particular, are dirty. Here are two examples from last season that had people so worked up.

Suh explained his approach to the game during an appearance on ESPN's First Take.

"I like to punish the quarterback. I like to punish running backs for them trying to make plays on my defense," he said. "Whether it's dirty or aggressive or whatever that may be, we're going to continue to play that way and make sure we stand up and make sure teams don't run over us."

Urlacher was asked if he thought the Lions were dirty.

“You know what? They play to the echo of the whistle," he said, via Sports Radio Interviews. "As a player you can’t be mad because that is the way the game should be played. They play fast and they play physical and sometimes they go a little bit too far, but you know what? Sometimes you get away with it. …

"I like their head coach. I will tell you that much. I think he has done a good job for that organization and he’s a hard-nosed guy. He wants his guys to play, so I can’t be mad at him, but you don’t like it when you are playing against them because it pisses you off, but you know what they do a good job and they play hard.”

To recap: the Lions aren't dirty, but both teams should expect to be a little lighter in the wallet this week.

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Since: Oct 13, 2007
Posted on: November 17, 2011 2:29 pm

Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

This article is misleading because in no way does Urlacher every suggest that they aren't dirty.

Since: Aug 3, 2011
Posted on: November 17, 2011 1:47 am
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Since: Jun 26, 2009
Posted on: November 17, 2011 1:08 am

Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

Cn I ask you one question though if Stafford didn't grab the Bears player  By his facemask and back of his helmet
and toss him to the ground would Moore have reacted.

Of course he wouldnt have gone after Stafford if he didnt get pulled down the way he did, that doesnt make what Moore did right. And if Moore doesnt react, their is no fight. I have watched the video quite a few times now, and I cannot see Stafford grabbing the facemask. His hand is right up by the facemask, but when I look at it close, his hand does not seem to grab the facemask. He definitely threw Moore to the ground by his helmet, which was wrong, and he did it out of anger over his own awful perfomance. But Moore did not have to do what he did either. If what Stafford did was dirty, and I dont think it was, then what Moore did has to be dirty as well, and I dont think it was either. I dont think any intent to actually injure someone was there, either time.

 Do you think the media has labeled them DIRTY for any other reason then it seems they are.

The media makes a big deal out of everything, that is what they get paid to do. Suh had one dirty hit, and that was against Delhomme. The hit on Cutler was not dirty, it looked alot like the Peppers hit on CJ. Once Cutler takes off, he is a runner, he needs to slide in that situation anyways. When Fairley hit Cutler, he had a hand on him when he let go of the ball, and Fairley had his head down. When Fairley drove him into the ground it was definitely going to far, and a good call by the ref. I dont even think that should be a fine because that type of thing happens pretty often in this league. It was definitely roughing the passer, but I dont see intent to injure somebody. This is a VERY fast paced game, and sometimes this young team gets caught up in the moment. They have some learning and maturing to do. They need to be aggressive without crossing the line. I love the aggressive style of play, it is what this team needed to take this turn to being a good team.

 In the last few years they have drafted SUH,BEST,STAFFORD,PETIGREW AND MEGATRON.So to claim they 
have had only 1 number one is a little decieving.Granted Millan was an IDIOT but any team with these 
draft picks would make any coach look good. 

The picks that are shown are the only ones that have panned out real well for the Lions, and injuries have been a part of the development. Millen was and still is a moron, he darn near single-handedly took this team under. Just because the Lions have had those draft picks doesnt mean it worked for them, and almost all the blame for that falls on Millen. He is gone, and look what has happened since, the Lions have gotten better every year. I think they will continue to get better, they need to work on penalties, and playing to whistle, not beyond it. Especailly on defense. The offense had a horrid day, that is not going to happen often, and give credit to the Bears, the defense was on its game Sunday. But both pick 6's, Stafford basically handed the ball to them. He is not going have bad games like this often, but EVERYBODY lays an egg at some point. I think the Lions are much better than expected just 2 years out of the Millen era. He dug such a deep whole, I am suprised they came out of this way. But when you can actually get some early draft picks AND use them wisely, good thing will happen. If the Lions use the draft, or free agency to upgrade the O-Line next year, then I beleive they will be a very scary team. Stafford has shown with good protection, he can pick defenses apart. 

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Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: November 16, 2011 7:53 pm

Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

 Urlacher isn't going to call them dirty because he doesn't want to have that come back should he do something as described above.

Oh really? Is that why Urlacher went out of his way to defend Suh and the Detroit Lions?  Wow.  I didn't know somebody on these boards was good buddies with Urlacher.  SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH, he's gonna get mad you told his secret !!!!

So, Detroit fans, I would suggest rather than trying to defend Suh and his teammates, just embrace the dirty play as you did with the degenerate Pistons in the late 80s-early 90s, and hope that it works as well for the Lions as it did for the Pistons back then. 

LMAO  You are a funny dude !!  The Pistons were considered dirty only when they started WINNING....  yeah, they ended a lot of careers with those hard fouls...... LOL....

And yes, we will very much enjoy our Detroit Lions becoming relevant again, even if they hit way too hard.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: November 16, 2011 7:48 pm

Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

I watched the replay of the Briggs hit on CJ -- I'm a die hard Lions fan and even I laughed at that flag.  What was he flagged for????  Tackling too hard???  It is the same as Suh's penalty and fine on the Cutler hit last year -- The guy is running with the football and not even attempting to go down and Suh is flagged for shoving him from being too hard?!?!?!  LOL.

Amen, I love your above paragraph and I agree 100 percent.  I thought the hit by Briggs on CJ was fantastic, a great football hit...  and I also laughed out loud when the league fined Suh for "punching" Cutler from behind last season.  Cutler is running with the ball, crossing the line of scrimmage with zero intention of going down and a 300 pound man running behind him is supposed to do what? Just run next to him, stride for stride begging him to slide?  Maybe Suh should have just yelled "bomb" and tried to scare Cutler?

The reason they pick on Suh is because he's stronger then 99 percent of the players in this league. A couple weeks ago he pushed a pound 300 defensive tackle, a 2 handed push with no real follow through, just standing still.  The guy flew about 4 yards and hit the ground....  so when he does anything to a qb it looks worse then it is... but I love that guy.... just an awesome player.


Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: November 16, 2011 2:20 pm

Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

The problem with the Lions is they started playing like thugs after they were getting blown out by a better team. They were down 30 points when all the crap started. By the way....check on how many brawls and incidents the Bears have had in the Lovie Smith Era. Now check on the Lions since their tough guy head coach came into town, and they drafted Suzie Q. Also....have fun watching the playoffs on TV....again without your team, Lions fans. How many years has it been? After all those years of picking #1, you would think they might squeeze out a playoff appearance. Guess not. 
Memo to tough guy Schwartz. Win something before you get cocky - all you are now is a cheap shot losing team that will be lucky to finish .500 
You want to know how many brawls the Lions have been involved in since Suh was drafted by the Lions.  ONE.  This past week.  Who started the brawl???  DJ Moore.  Hence the reason he was ejected from the game.  Since you seem to want to point at the coach -- maybe if Lovie Smith had control of his players, they wouldn't go charging at a player while he is on the ground and the play is over.  Sounds pretty dumb, right?!?!

As far as getting blown out "by a better team"???  Is this not the same team Detroit beat 3 weeks ago???  Is this not the same team who has the exact same record as Detroit???  As far as the playoffs -- last I checked -- no team has made the playoffs yet, so unless you a nostrodamus and can see the future -- both teams are a LONG WAY from making the playoffs.

With your last comment -- It really shows how unintelligent you are.  Schwartz took over a team who was coming off an 0-16 record.  In a little over 2 years -- he took that team from 2-14 to 6-10 and now this year 6-3.  Detroit has gone from a team you heard nothing about -- now there are these ridiculous threads from other fans whining about how they play.  My favorite is the fans who have lost to Detroit -- like CHICAGO -- now saying they won't finish .500 and they are a losing team.  Uhh -- that "losing team" smacked the Bears in the mouth in week 5 -- all Chicago did was return the favor this past week.

And just an FYI -- "all those years of picking #1" -- it was once when detroit drafted stafford.  the only other time since the leagues merged was in 1980.  if you are going to try and talk trash -- at least make sense. 

Since: Mar 29, 2007
Posted on: November 16, 2011 1:31 pm

Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

So let me get this straight, nlburrow. You don't like Suh because you think he's a street thug who doesn't play within the rules and is therefore a dirty player. And your answer to that is you hope somebody chop blocks him, blows out his knee, and ends his career? I think my 7 year old would find that a bit illogical.

 I don't have a dog in this fight, but there wer several smart posts on here. Enjoyed reading some of your opinions. Thanks.

Since: Dec 3, 2006
Posted on: November 16, 2011 1:10 pm

Suh says Lions aren't dirty, Urlacher agrees

I rarely say these types of things, but I will rejoice the day someone blows out Suh's knee with a chop block.  He's just a street thug that is athletic enough to make it to the NFL.   If not, he'd be in jail for rape or armed robbery by now.   Probably will still end up there sooner or later.  

Congrats, Lions.   You have a stellar mugshot... for the franchise of losers. 

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