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Fox on offense: 'We can't do that other crap'

Posted on: November 15, 2011 11:40 pm
Edited on: November 15, 2011 11:52 pm
Posted by Will Brinson

Whenever a new schematic fad comes into play in the NFL, we're generally encapsulated by it until it stops working. And if Tim Tebow's the guy running the new fad -- in this case the read-option offense Denver's installed over the past few weeks -- the scrutiny's really cranked up.

Well, John Fox's new Broncos will get a serious test when the Jets come into town (on a short week, with a Thursday game no less). Needless to say, we should expect some new wrinkles from Fox.

"Do whatever the hell it takes," Fox told's Jeff Darlington this week.

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"I mean, what the hell? You don't get points for style in this league. Let me tell you something: My man is really good in this offense. You know what I mean?

"If we were trying to run a regular offense, he'd be screwed."

But not too many new wrinkles. Fox pointed out to Darlington (who spent time watching film with the Broncos coach; the whole article's definitely worth a read) that while Tebow knows the offense really well -- he's been running it since college, really -- everyone else on the Broncos roster is still learning it.

Make no mistake, though. The offense is certainly tailored to Tebow.

"After the loss to Detroit, we decided if Tim is going to be our guy, we can't do that other crap," Fox said. "We had to tweak it."

We saw new tweaks against Kansas City and we should expect to see new tweaks against the Jets as well. The real issue for Fox will be whether or not Rex Ryan, who should know how to stop the read-option offense, knows them as well.

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Since: Aug 23, 2006
Posted on: November 18, 2011 1:52 pm

Fox on offense: 'We can't do that other crap'

figure it out already.  the crap that doesnt work is what the idiot fox has put into play.  tell me on that last drive they played the "read option" or "just run it on every play" bs, nope all that great game planning by one of the nfl's worst coaches is what makes it a boring low scoring tight at the end game.  

at the end when the game is on the line and they let TT be a QB, he produces better than most.

Denver isnt winning because they have put in a gimicky offense, they are being held back because of the gimicky offense.  there is nothing gimicky about 1st and 95 to go.  that wsnt the read option that wont that game it was somne great QUATERBACK play from the QUARTERBACK.

throwing running scoring.

TT might not have to bring Denver back every game if they would employ some of what they have to do at the end of games during the games.

This is the same Reeves control crap that he used to put elway through.  see most of the people yapping about TT dont remember how much crap elway had to take year in and year out for not being able to get it done.  wasnt as good as Marino, wasnt as sharp as montana, fouts was way better, favre was more exciting, blah blah blah.......remove reeves's conservative butt from the equation and quess what? back to back SB's

fox and company are doing the same crap.  because they dont have confidence, theyre trying to ruin his. draw up your best plays and et him be the QB, he has done fine putting up with all of your garbage to this point, he will be fine with "real qb plays" 

Since: Apr 23, 2007
Posted on: November 16, 2011 3:36 pm

Fox on offense: 'We can't do that other crap'

I don't care what Cris Carter says. NFL Countdown has become almost unwatchable since he and Keyshawn joined the show. They have brought Tom Jackson down to their level, and Jackson used to be one of the best analysts in the business. All Ditka does is mumble. Berman is actually the best analyst on the show-- and he's the host. ESPN needs a total overhaul of its pregame shows, and since it employs about 1,000,000 NFL announcers, it shouldn't be hard to find replacements.

Since: Jan 2, 2010
Posted on: November 16, 2011 12:22 pm

Fox on offense: 'We can't do that other crap'

the Nfl will catch on. this may work for a few weeks but the NFL ALWAYS catches up. whats gonna happen when Tebow has to adjust to the Defenses's after they figure this out? I'll say this though, if he can learn to pass even 50% better then this read option stuff actually gets scary.

Since: Nov 16, 2011
Posted on: November 16, 2011 12:04 pm
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Since: Sep 24, 2006
Posted on: November 16, 2011 11:29 am

Speaking of crap

has anyone dished on the lions for punk ##tches this past weekend. For all the smack they talked about tebow the prvious game, they looked like a high school team. Chicago had 5..count them ..5 DST touchdowns against them. what a pathetic bunch of little girls in detroit. I truly hate the lions for their disrecpect of other players, now Karma has steamrolled into Detroit. I'll be happy when they're sitting at home talking trash abut tebow come playoffs.

The option will work. The broncs just need somebody else to run the ball. Too many gimps.

Since: Jan 22, 2007
Posted on: November 16, 2011 11:22 am

Fox on offense: 'We can't do that other crap'

I like how playing the position conventionally is now "that other crap."

I don't think this offense will work forever (especially with McGahee as the primary back), but we'll see.  It's an interesting experiment, to be sure 

Since: Sep 22, 2006
Posted on: November 16, 2011 10:19 am

Fox on offense: 'We can't do that other crap'

Vince Young was successful with this kind of "other crap" for a while too; he stunk as an "NFL QB" but he was winning games.  Sadly, he ran into mental problems with the game, but there is precedent out there.  It's not pretty, and it's not consistent, but you can win in the NFL with this.  Vince did it, Duante Culpepper did it (to a much lesser degree, but including running between the tackles) ... Vick also wins (often) as an "unconventional" QB, though he's increasingly conventional.  I think that, like the Wildcat (which this essentially is), such innovation is good for the NFL.

Since: Sep 25, 2009
Posted on: November 16, 2011 9:58 am

Fox on offense: 'We can't do that other crap'

The over/under for points for this game can probably also double as the over/under for yardage the Broncos will get on offense.  I would take the under.  The Broncos can still win because the Jets play Mark Sanchez at QB, who is actually worse than Tebow.

Since: Oct 21, 2006
Posted on: November 16, 2011 8:51 am

Fox on offense: 'We can't do that other crap'

Tebow may be successful with this offense for awhile; however, the problem with this offense is that it won't last.

This isn't college.  The defenses Tebow faced in college usually had 7-8 slow, weak kids with a few NFL calibre guys sprinkled in here and there.

Now everyone he sees on defense is fast, strong and can hit. 

Sooner or later he will get creamed and injured.   The best way to keep a QB on the field is to keep him in the pocket and well protected.  Tebow isn't suited to that type of style. 

Since: May 22, 2007
Posted on: November 16, 2011 6:50 am

Fox on offense: 'We can't do that other crap'

Having heard just about every kind of comment about Tim Tebow and the Broncos offense, I've come to one conclusion. If the guy wins games, who cares? On Monday, I heard Chris Carter go into a tirade with Skip Bayless on ESPN..."He's not an NFL caliber QB" and other such inane comments from a football analyst. Carter was trying to save face after telling everyone how horrible a passer Tebow was and that he's not good...really? Last time I looked, the Broncos are 3-1 with him at the helm...granted, they beat the Dolphins, Chiefs and Raiders, but does it really matter? Wins count...nothiing else matters.

The Jets will see Tebow first hand on Thursday night, and to be honest, I hope it's a close game that goes down to the wire. If the Broncos somehow win, then I'm even more thrilled, because I love seeing the so called "experts" eat their words. The thing is, why don't they ever admit when they have made a mistake. The Broncos tailored their offense to Tim Tebow's strengths and they are winning. Who cares how ugly it is...I'll take an ugly 9-7 to a pretty 7-9 any day of the week. And if Tebow only makes a couple of big passing plays at the right time, maybe the Broncos win, then it's all good.

Oh no, that's right, it can't be because it was pretty...we are playing football here, right?

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