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Ndamukong Suh suspended 2 games, will appeal

Posted on: November 29, 2011 10:28 am
Edited on: November 29, 2011 3:54 pm
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Posted by Will Brinson



As CBSSports.com's Mike Freeman noted earlier, Ndamukong Suh was suspended two games without pay by the NFL on Tuesday for his actions in Detroit's loss to Green Bay on Thanksgiving.

Suh received the suspension due to the fact that the incident in the Packers-Lions game was Suh's fifth on-field violation over the past two years, according to the NFL.

"NFL Vice President of Football Operations Merton Hanks notified Ndamukong Suh today that he has been suspended without pay for the Lions' next two games for his unsportsmanlike conduct in the Lions-Packers game on Thanksgiving Day," a statement from the NFL, obtained by Freeman, reads. "It was Suh's fifth violation of on-field rules in the past two seasons that has resulted in league discipline. Suh may not practice or be at the team practice facility for any other activities during the two-game suspension.

"He will be reinstated on December 12. Under the CBA, the suspension may be appealed within three business days. If appealed, an expedited hearing and decision would take place this week in advance of this weekend's games."

Suh drew a lot of criticism for his decision not to apologize for his actions, then apologize via Facebook (!), then finally call Roger Goodell on Sunday night and apologize for his actions on Thursday.

Suh isn't the only one who stands to lose money here ($164,000, to be exact). The Lions could also be a little lighter in their proverbial wallets. Freeman explains:

"League rules stipulate that when a player is suspended or fined, the amount of the fine, up to a maximum of $50,000 per infraction, counts towards a club's season total.

"If a team reaches $100,000 in fines the club must forfeit $50,000. If a team reaches $150,000, then it must forfeit an additional $25,000, and match any subsequent fine/suspension amounts for remainder of season.

So, bottom line, the Suh suspension put the Lions over that $100,000 season total. Lions players have already been fined at least that much this season so not only is that $100,000 mark already likely been reached, the next mark could be as well. The team fine would happen at the end of the season once all appeals and reductions are accounted for."

There's more (of course there is): a source close to the embattled defensive tackle tells Freeman that Suh has appealed his suspension. "Suh was urged, I'm told, by union and others that suspension was heavy handed and he should appeal. He officially has."

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Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: November 30, 2011 12:15 pm
 

Ndamukong Suh suspended 2 games, will appeal

Lastly -- I will say the same thing I said to brian8ball -- if the H2H hits are unavoidable.  Explain to me how guys like James Harrison and Dunta Robinson are the poster boys for H2H hits???  Are they just really unlucky???  Or do they lead with their helmets???  I agree SOME of the hits are unavoidable, but when you have been fined 3 and 4 times for H2H hits -- you are intentionally leading with your helmet or you are the most unlucky person on the planet, as NO ONE ELSE in the NFL is racking up those type of fines for H2H hits. 

Those hits for the most part are not unavoidable at all, nobody forces players to lead with their helmets not to mention straight into head of the player they are tackling.   What really kills me is people on these boards are angry at Suh for his comments after the game, yet are just fine with James Harrison's comments in the past.  The guy admitted he likes "putting people to sleep" and gets pumped up watching players get knocked out from one of his vicious hits.  The guy also laughed at the league after the first fine or two saying he can afford the fine.   Yet his comments were ok...  



Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: November 30, 2011 12:14 pm
 

Ndamukong Suh suspended 2 games, will appeal

The comment the guy made stated it was an inexpensive way for Suh to take out opposing teams players.  I just stated, not a  player has missed a snap, from the hits Suh was fined for.


Skillet. Notice how people refuse to accept the fact Suh hasn't really hurt anybody in the NFL with any of his hits?  Just as you have said many times I also think Suh deserves the 2 game suspension he got.  But when are people going to realize he hasn't hurt anybody? When are people going to understand if a man with Suh's size and strength wanted to hurt somebody he could easily accomplish that? The fines he got for his hits on quarterbacks were hardly vicious, the quarterbacks that were hit didn't stay down for even a split second longer then they usually would. 

Here is my problem with the helmet to helmet hits -- You can say "no player, even Harrison, can time a hit so right to make H2H contact" which couldn't be further from the truth.  There is a reason you see the same players getting hit with the fines for H2H hits.  They lead with their helmets.  Are you saying James Harrison and Dunta Robinson are just really unlucky and multiple times they've knocked players out cold with H2H hits???  Come on now -- you are smarter than that.  That is like Suh saying he is just misunderstood or he was trying to gain his balance when he stepped on the GB OL. 

The fact of the matter is helmet to helmet hits are a lot worse then almost anything Suh has done so far in his career. Running full blast at a player not able to defend himself and pretty well destroying him like Harrison and Robinson have done multiple times certainly does hurt players and players have missed games because of concussions.   And you brought up a great point when you said it can't be coincidence it's always the same people getting accused of these H2H hits. 


By the way, did you see how the tone of the entire thread changed when Briancrackball joined the discussion?  Crazy....
By this line of "reasoning", attempted murder shouldn't be a crime; intent is irrelevant. Yikes.  I really have to wonder about anyone protecting Suh as to why they would put homerism over integrity, sportsmanship, and fair play.  It is the sort of conclusion a self-serving teen-ager would reach rather than a mature adult.



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: November 30, 2011 12:13 pm
 

Ndamukong Suh suspended 2 games, will appeal

So let's get this straight.... Suh denies it immediately after the game, then comes out and apologizes, then calls Goodell to apologize.....now he appeals it? Lol come on.  How many times is he gonna waver? If he is appealing, that means he thinks he doesn't deserve the punishment.  If he didn't deserve to be punished, why did he apologize?? He has no credibility.


Maybe 2 games is harsh, but it's 2 games because of Suh's history.  He's built up a nice video reel of dirty and/or questionable plays in only 1 1/2 seasons. 
blackngold,

it is in the CBA signed by the players union.  has nothing to do with the lions organization or the coach or anything like that.  suh has come out and said his actions were wrong and apologized.  obviously, his comments after the game were to try and downplay the action and i'm sure he was still worked up and emotional.  he lost his temper and deserves everything he gets from the NFL.  it would be dumb not to appeal the suspension though.  it is not as if he has to do anything -- the union, etc. will handle the situation and if by unknown reason the nfl reduces it to 1 game -- it is 1 game extra he can be on the field to help his team try and make the playoffs.  if they deny him -- he serves the suspension.  it is the same thing mlb players do -- they aren't saying, i didn't mean to charge the mound and throw punches at the pitcher -- they are just using the tools given to them by the union to try and get the suspension reduced.  it isn't a cry out that they are innocent in anyway.

personally -- i think the 2 games is very fair and it is a well deserved suspension.  maybe it will make him think twice about his actions on the field as they directly affect the team, as well as the fans.  detroit is in the playoff race and fighting to win a wild card spot.  now they will do so without their best DL.  i also think the 215,000 dollars he will lose from the fine and game paychecks will make him think twice too.  Granted it is a small blip on what he will make over the length of his contract, but that is a serious chunk of change.



Since: Mar 20, 2007
Posted on: November 30, 2011 12:11 pm
 

Ndamukong Suh suspended 2 games, will appeal

Suh got into the wrong line of work.  If he were a cop he would get promoted for this sort of thing, especially in regards to brutalizing citizens.  They even give you tax-payer funded riot gear and a Vader helmet to protect your anonymity.  Suh could literally shoot veterans in the face with stun grenades, pepper spray peaceful citizens with an eerie thoroughness, or pepper spray 83 year-old women at will.  Instead of getting fined, he would get applauded by extremist right-wing elements and Neo-muslimes that hate the Constitution.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: November 30, 2011 12:10 pm
 

Ndamukong Suh suspended 2 games, will appeal

The comment the guy made stated it was an inexpensive way for Suh to take out opposing teams players.  I just stated, not a  player has missed a snap, from the hits Suh was fined for.


Skillet. Notice how people refuse to accept the fact Suh hasn't really hurt anybody in the NFL with any of his hits?  Just as you have said many times I also think Suh deserves the 2 game suspension he got.  But when are people going to realize he hasn't hurt anybody? When are people going to understand if a man with Suh's size and strength wanted to hurt somebody he could easily accomplish that? The fines he got for his hits on quarterbacks were hardly vicious, the quarterbacks that were hit didn't stay down for even a split second longer then they usually would. 

Here is my problem with the helmet to helmet hits -- You can say "no player, even Harrison, can time a hit so right to make H2H contact" which couldn't be further from the truth.  There is a reason you see the same players getting hit with the fines for H2H hits.  They lead with their helmets.  Are you saying James Harrison and Dunta Robinson are just really unlucky and multiple times they've knocked players out cold with H2H hits???  Come on now -- you are smarter than that.  That is like Suh saying he is just misunderstood or he was trying to gain his balance when he stepped on the GB OL. 

The fact of the matter is helmet to helmet hits are a lot worse then almost anything Suh has done so far in his career. Running full blast at a player not able to defend himself and pretty well destroying him like Harrison and Robinson have done multiple times certainly does hurt players and players have missed games because of concussions.   And you brought up a great point when you said it can't be coincidence it's always the same people getting accused of these H2H hits. 


By the way, did you see how the tone of the entire thread changed when Briancrackball joined the discussion?  Crazy.... 



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: November 30, 2011 12:05 pm
 

Ndamukong Suh suspended 2 games, will appeal

Two totally different things....

Most players still view helmet-to-helmet rules as a crime against football and EVERY football player would rather get their head hit over their knees.  Head injury you miss a game, knee injury you miss a season...

Also - H2H hits are a lot of times unavoidable and simply a function of the game... 90% of these hits aren't because the defensive player is targeting a helmet - it just happens because the game is so fast.  

Furthermore - H2H hits have only been outlawed in the past couple seasons...  stomping on a player while he was done as NEVER been acceptable....

Comparing a H2H hit to a player stomping on someone is completely moronic regardless of the injury outcome to the "victim".
You have to explain this to me.  We are talking about Suh -- Of everything Suh has done, none of it has to do with an opponents knees?!?!  So not sure where that comparison comes into play.

I will say this -- You can say a head injury you miss a game -- I will say -- take a look at Jahvid Best for example.  He has been out with a concussion for the vast majority of the season.  Take a look at Justin Morneau -- since his concussion, he has missed almost a full season and is nowhere near the player he was prior to the concussion.  Take a look at Eric Lindros -- his career was cut short by concussions.

The problem with H2H hits -- once a player gets a concussion, they are much more likely to get more of them.  That is why the league is putting a stop to those type of hits.  You can have surgery on any part of your body and come back like new or with the advancements in the medical field -- you can come back even stronger.  There is nothing you can do about concussions. 

Lastly -- I will say the same thing I said to brian8ball -- if the H2H hits are unavoidable.  Explain to me how guys like James Harrison and Dunta Robinson are the poster boys for H2H hits???  Are they just really unlucky???  Or do they lead with their helmets???  I agree SOME of the hits are unavoidable, but when you have been fined 3 and 4 times for H2H hits -- you are intentionally leading with your helmet or you are the most unlucky person on the planet, as NO ONE ELSE in the NFL is racking up those type of fines for H2H hits. 



Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: November 30, 2011 11:54 am
 

Ndamukong Suh suspended 2 games, will appeal

CMON MIKE D,
REALLY REALLY,Since Suh missed with his stomp and didn't hurt a guy banging his head on the ground 3 times means that Suh should not have been fined.There is a differance running full speed and  you go head to head with another player.Look at a lot of those hits sometimes the player that gets hit actually lowers head and contact is made.

But no way can you compare what Suh did with those hits.No player even Harrison can time a hit so right to make head to head contact
I think you are confusing what I was trying to say to the original poster.  I've already stated on here numerous times, Suh deserves the suspension and fines he was given by the league.  

The comment the guy made stated it was an inexpensive way for Suh to take out opposing teams players.  I just stated, not a single player has missed a snap, from the hits Suh was fined for.  

Here is my problem with the helmet to helmet hits -- You can say "no player, even Harrison, can time a hit so right to make H2H contact" which couldn't be further from the truth.  There is a reason you see the same players getting hit with the fines for H2H hits.  They lead with their helmets.  Are you saying James Harrison and Dunta Robinson are just really unlucky and multiple times they've knocked players out cold with H2H hits???  Come on now -- you are smarter than that.  That is like Suh saying he is just misunderstood or he was trying to gain his balance when he stepped on the GB OL. 



Since: Aug 17, 2006
Posted on: November 30, 2011 11:35 am
 

Ndamukong Suh suspended 2 games, will appeal

So let's get this straight.... Suh denies it immediately after the game, then comes out and apologizes, then calls Goodell to apologize.....now he appeals it? Lol come on.  How many times is he gonna waver? If he is appealing, that means he thinks he doesn't deserve the punishment.  If he didn't deserve to be punished, why did he apologize?? He has no credibility.


Maybe 2 games is harsh, but it's 2 games because of Suh's history.  He's built up a nice video reel of dirty and/or questionable plays in only 1 1/2 seasons.    



Since: Nov 26, 2007
Posted on: November 30, 2011 11:29 am
 

Ndamukong Suh suspended 2 games, will appeal

What bothered me most was his denial on the sidelines after the incident.  From the vidio, he clearly is telling Schwartz he just meant to stomp the ground.  I am a HUGE Lions fan, and a fan of Suh, but that man needs to grow up.  There are hundreds of players out there just as agressive who know how to turn it off when the whistle blows.  They get in the opponents face sometimes, and push comes to shove, but you don't see them knocking a guys head in the ground and kicking him when he's down.


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Since: Aug 3, 2011
Posted on: November 30, 2011 11:19 am
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