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Big Ben thinks Andy Dalton is rookie of the year

Posted on: December 1, 2011 1:36 pm
Edited on: December 1, 2011 3:13 pm
 
Who ya got for Rookie of the Year: Dalton or Newton? (Getty Images)

Posted by Ryan Wilson

You probably wouldn't get much argument if Panthers quarterback Cam Newton ends up winning the 2011 NFL Rookie of the Year. Without the benefit of minicamps and OTAs, the first overall pick, with just six weeks of practice and facing intense scrutiny, has played like a veteran, pretty much from the moment he stepped on the field in Week 1. He threw for 854 yards in his first two games, and his otherwordly talents coupled with poise beyond his years made him a natural candidate for the award.

Despite the marked upgrade at quarterback, the Panthers are just a three-win outfit with five games remaining. A year ago, with overmatched rookie quarterback Jimmy Clausen under center, Carolina managed to go 2-14. We bring this up not as a knock on Newton's accomplishments to date, but to point out that he's not the only quarterback in the Rookie-of-the-Year running.

Andy Dalton, the Bengals' second-round pick out of TCU and who we've taken to calling Ginger Power (nobody's asked Dalton's his thoughts on it but it has to be better than Red Rifle), has been more important to his team's success this season than Newton. Cincy began the year 6-2, and even after losses to the Steelers and Ravens in recent weeks, at 7-4 they're currently the AFC's No. 6 team. That's good for the final playoff spot.

There's more than a month to go in the regular season, including rematches against Pittsburgh and Baltimore, but given how far the Bengals have come in just a short period (they were 4-12 a year ago before dumping Chad Ochocinco and Terrell Owens, and eventually trading Carson Palmer to the Raiders), Dalton deserves to be in the Rookie of the Year conversation.


Looking at passer ratings over the first 11 games and there's little difference between Dalton and Newton. According to Football Outsiders' QB efficiency metrics, Dalton currently ranks 10th. Newton is 18th.  Compare their numbers below.





And we're not the only folks beating that drum. Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger is on board, too.

“The things that he does that you just see or expect from rookie quarterbacks," Big Ben said, according to the Cincinnati Enquirer. Anticipating throws. There were a couple of throws last time we played them, and I was on the sideline and I told the story of when, but we’ve got a guy right in his face, the receiver is still running a route, he throws an out route and the guy breaks right to the ball and its perfect. Some of the things he did were really impressive. Right now I think, and I don’t know how the talk is, but he’s rookie of the year. I think he’s that good of a quarterback.”


This Sunday, Andy Dalton and the Cincinnati Bengals will travel to Heinz field to take on the Pittsburgh Steelers. Join Jason Horowitz and NFL.com's Pat Kirwan as they take a look at this matchup. Watch the game on CBS at 1 PM ET.

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Since: Dec 4, 2011
Posted on: December 4, 2011 7:23 pm
 

Big Ben thinks Andy Dalton is rookie of the year

If the award is measure in stats then Newton - but really shouldn't it come down to wins?  If so, then either Dalton or AJ Green should be the frontrunner



Since: Jul 31, 2009
Posted on: December 2, 2011 4:07 pm
 

Big Ben thinks Andy Dalton is rookie of the year

Cam vs. Ari(26/20/25), GB(30/14/31), Chi(23/16/30), NO(25/19/27), Atl(9/15/23), Was(11/10/10), Min(19/30/29), Det(10/18/6)

Dalton vs. Cle(6/9/1), Den(18/22/17), SF(7/1/21), Buf(22/28/22), Sea(14/12/18), Pit(2/4/3), Bal(3/3/5), Cle(6/9/1)

Cam 6 of 8 games against against pass D's ranked 23rd or worse in the NFL!

Also misleading.  Unless you want to claim that the Redskins D is really better than the Green Bay D, whereas one always plays from behind (Washington) and one is always playing with the lead (GB), so of course there will be more passing yards. 

Not to mention that you are only looking at passing stats, and while Dalton's game is entirely through the air, Newton's is not - has 10 TDs rushing, plus plenty of yards, and is averaging over 5 yards a carry.

In other words, while their passing games aer comparable, with Newton leading heavily in yards, to Dalton's slight lead in TDs, INTs, there is no comparison when including the ground game as well.

I think Clayton on ESPN put it best - Dalton looks great, Newton looks like a superstar.



Since: Sep 27, 2008
Posted on: December 2, 2011 1:31 pm
 

Big Ben thinks Andy Dalton is rookie of the year

The Panther's Newton-led offense is ranked 5th in the league, whereas the Bengals Dalton-led O is in the bottom half, albeit just barely, at 18th.


I find those stats a bit deceiving. That is based on total offense which solely bases it on total yards per game. If you look at scoring offense which is points per game then Car ranks 16th in the NFL and Cin ranks 14th in the NFL. So their offenses comparatively speaking are both average.

You can argue on team is better than the other because of their defenses and that would justify why Cin is 7-4 and Car is 3-8 but once again that should not matter. The QB stats should be the deciding factor.

Cams numbers overall are better but who has he put those numbers up against. Are some of those numbers inflated because his team is always playing from behind and have to air it out late in the game.

Both teams played Jax, Ten, and Indy so they are not factored in. Here are the other 8 teams each played:

QB vs team(Total D/Scoring D/Passing D)

Cam vs Ari(26/20/25), GB(30/14/31), Chi(23/16/30), NO(25/19/27), Atl(9/15/23), Was(11/10/10), Min(19/30/29), Det(10/18/6)

Dalton vs Cle(6/9/1), Den(18/22/17), SF(7/1/21), Buf(22/28/22), Sea(14/12/18), Pit(2/4/3), Bal(3/3/5), Cle(6/9/1)

Cam 6 of 8 games against pass D's ranked 23rd or worse in the NFL!!!



Since: Sep 27, 2008
Posted on: December 2, 2011 1:11 pm
 

Big Ben thinks Andy Dalton is rookie of the year

The Panther's Newton-led offense is ranked 5th in the league, whereas the Bengals Dalton-led O is in the bottom half, albeit just barely, at 18th.


I find those stats a bit deceiving. That is based on total offense which solely bases it on total yards per game. If you look at scoring offense which is points per game then Car ranks 16th in the NFL and Cin ranks 14th in the NFL. So their offenses comparitively speaking are both average.

You can argue one team is better than the other because of their defenses and that would justify why Cin is 7-4 and Car is 3-8 but once again that should not matter. The QB stats should be the deciding factor.

Cams numbers overall are better but who has he put those numbers up against. plus you have to factor are some of those numbers inflated because he team is always down and they have to air it out playing catch up.

Both teams played Jax, Ten, and Ind so they are not factored in. Here are the other 8 teams each played:

QB vs team(Total D/Scoring D/Passing D)

Cam vs. Ari(26/20/25), GB(30/14/31), Chi(23/16/30), NO(25/19/27), Atl(9/15/23), Was(11/10/10), Min(19/30/29), Det(10/18/6)

Dalton vs. Cle(6/9/1), Den(18/22/17), SF(7/1/21), Buf(22/28/22), Sea(14/12/18), Pit(2/4/3), Bal(3/3/5), Cle(6/9/1)

Cam 6 of 8 games against against pass D's ranked 23rd or worse in the NFL!


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Since: Oct 1, 2011
Posted on: December 2, 2011 11:44 am
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Since: Aug 13, 2007
Posted on: December 2, 2011 9:30 am
 

Big Ben thinks Andy Dalton is rookie of the year

Newton and Dalton a racist commet? i could barely read this post with out laughing.  Bucs let up 49 points to the 49ers, the saints let up plus 40 by the Packers and the falcons have a extremely weak defense. Pittsburgh,Ravens and the Browns all have better D's then NFC south. So 1st off Newton all year has played easier opponents on def. 2nd Andy is a Nfl qb not some flash in the pan like Tebow. 3rd Dalton next year will complete 65% or more on his passes compared to the Vince Young and Vick mold that Newton plays. Its been proven in the past 50 years.......how many running qbs have we seen that are better athletes then qbs? Search the last 60 years and get back to me on running qbs that have won the big game? Warner, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Big Ben, Aikman, Simms, Williams, Montana, Bradshaw and Starr. the list could go on and on of Quaterbacks that are the same style as Dalton.  Maybe in your defense for Newton we have Vick last year Cunningham after he blew both knees out and was forced to be a pocket passer, Mcnabb after many surgeries on his knees,and Steve Young atfer many head blows. The running qb has never paid off. its always been the Pocket passer that is mobile in that pocket. Newton will have a Kordell Stewart type of year in 2012. 



Since: Jul 31, 2009
Posted on: December 2, 2011 9:15 am
 

Big Ben thinks Andy Dalton is rookie of the year

I can't believe some of you fools are making this about race.  It's about FOOTBALL. 

That being said, no way Dalton is ROY over Newton.  Dalton isn't even the best rookie on his team - that award goes to AJ Green, who has been phenomenal.  Of course, more wieght will always go to the QB position, and rightfully so.  Even still, Newton has become one of the top players, if not the best player, on the Panthers team.

Dalton has the 5th best defense in the league protecting his leads.  Newton has the 24th ranked defense, that has blown tons of leads late in the game.  Dalton and Newton don't play defense, but they sure play offense.  The Panther's Newton-led offense is ranked 5th in the league, whereas the Bengals Dalton-led O is in the bottom half, albeit just barely, at 18th. 

I just don't see how there is any competition.



Since: Dec 3, 2007
Posted on: December 2, 2011 8:44 am
 

Big Ben thinks Andy Dalton is rookie of the year

It's "Steelers Week" in Cincinnati and Ben is strategically occupying Dalton's head, nothing more.  

Dalton is having a fine season for an overachieving Bengals team.  He's certainly worthy of ROY discussion and we have another month to see where this ends up.  If Dalton knocks off Pittsburgh or Baltimore and takes care of the teams that the Bengals should beat, he's got a great shot at ROY.

BTW, it's "Week 13" in Pittsburgh.




Since: Mar 17, 2009
Posted on: December 2, 2011 8:25 am
 

Big Ben thinks Andy Dalton is rookie of the year

Tough to say which,  Dalton plays on a much better team than Newton.

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Thats because Dalton makes them a better  team, Bengal where awful last year. 



Since: Oct 17, 2009
Posted on: December 2, 2011 3:23 am
 

Big Ben thinks Andy Dalton is rookie of the year

Sorry folks, 1st thing I thought was Rapeliesburger was a racist comment.  You can call it ignorance or whatever but Rapeliesburger plays QB too.  He should know that a good defense makes up for a average QB.  The Steelers D and Running game gave him his 1st SB ring.

Dalton benefits from a much better defense.  Put Newton's offense with Cincy's Defense and Newton is probably undefeated.  But Dalton with Carolina's Defense and Dalton is probably winless and leading Carolina to a decision of whether to drop Dalton and take Luck.

Give Dalton alot of credit.  He has blown Carson Palmer's shadow completely out of Cincinnati.  Clearly a franchise QB.  But to say HE WINS those games is B.S.  He is probably more comparable to Tebow than Newton.   His defense should get credit for most of their victories.

All those fans that want Dalton to win ROY are probably the same Newton haters that predicted Newton would FLOP.  How much mud in the face they would get when Newton wins ROY. 

Newton is set to shatter every Rookie QB mark there is.

Dalton is having a great season for a Rookie QB but when the ROY Award goes out... Cam Newton will be placing it right next to his Heisman Trophy.


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