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Report: Norv, Smith's jobs depend on last 2 weeks

Posted on: December 23, 2011 11:22 am
Edited on: December 23, 2011 12:38 pm
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Norv Turner could potentially save his job with a 2-0 finish to 2011. (Getty Images)
By Will Brinson

At the beginning of December, the idea that Norv Turner could survive into next season as Chargers head coach was borderline laughable. San Diego was 4-7, dead in the water for the playoffs and Turner was as good as gone. Over the last three weeks, though, things have changed -- and it appears Norv can save his gig.

In fact, according to Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune, the jobs of Turner and GM A.J. Smith "hinge on results in the final two weeks."

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Put simply, it sounds like the Chargers winning out -- they play at Detroit on Christmas Eve and then at Oakland on New Year's Day -- will save the jobs of Turner and Smith.

After the Chargers victory over the Ravens in Week 14 it appeared as if the tides were starting to turn in Norv's favor; Philip Rivers said "it would be crazy" to dump the coach and Acee reported that just getting to the Raiders game with a shot at the playoffs would "speak volumes" to team president Dean Spanos.


Spanos now believes, according to Acee's report on Friday, that the support provided to the team and Norv by the fans and players, respectively, indicate that things aren't that far away from being on the right track.

If the Chargers make the playoffs, Smith and Turner are likely safe. If they miss the playoffs, at least a 1-1 or 2-0 record is probably necessary to save their jobs, although it's worth noting that the two also appear joined at the hip moving forward.

"If Smith is retained, no one should think he will need a new head coach," Acee wrote Friday. "Sources inside and outside Chargers Park say Smith believes in Turner now as much as he did when he went out on a limb and hired him in 2007."

So the Chargers will play out the string and then Spanos will make a decision as to whether or not Smith remains; that decision will obviously affect whether or not Turner returns as well.

But if the Bolts can manage to close out the season 2-0, that decision could suddenly be a lot easier for Spanos, and easier on Turner and Smith.


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Since: Sep 14, 2008
Posted on: December 23, 2011 4:42 pm
 

Report: Norv, Smith's jobs depend on last 2 weeks

But i still wonder to myself just how good the chargers would have been if they would have chose to re-sign brees and not draft rivers...

USMEAGLE: consider all our other options going into that 2004 draft:
[1] Keep Drew Brees as our QB (and fill otehr needs)
[2] Draft Eli (we did but you know, the Mannings don't like AJ Smith)
[3] Draft Ben Roethlisberger
[4] Draft Rivers
You know what is common about the QBs in options 1-3?  They all have superbowl rings since that draft.  I feel like AJ gets too much credit for Rivers.  How many of the players that we got in the draft and trade are still on our team.  I feel like AJ pretty much couldn't lose with that pick, but took the 4th best option.   




Since: Sep 14, 2008
Posted on: December 23, 2011 4:29 pm
 

Report: Norv, Smith's jobs depend on last 2 weeks

Was it the coaches fault that in the KC game the snap was fumbled by Rivers?

YES IT WAS.  That kind of mistake wouldn't happen on a championship team.  Those coaches drill their players on those plays.  They run them again and again.  Rivers is good but he's the same hot headed punk he was when he came into the league.  He's never been coached.  He gets beaten emotionally time and again.  How often have you seen him feel like he needs to take the game over and then launch a 35 yard int.  He's nothing like Brady, Rodgers, Brees or Manning(s).  Rivers was too emotional on that play.  He needed to be calm and cool like he had run it 100 times before.  He needs to be COACHED. There is more to coaching than calling plays - there is leading men.  I can't believe we're actually considering keeping these to guys around. 



Since: Sep 14, 2008
Posted on: December 23, 2011 4:20 pm
 

Report: Norv, Smith's jobs depend on last 2 weeks

Frankly the talent “notion” doesn't hold too much water for me.  Take a look at the timeline for AJ.  His predecessor, Butler, was universally always known as a draft guru.  He died shortly before the 2003 draft.  AJ probably still benefited from his preparation going into that draft.  I don’t know whether to give AJ credit for Gates or not.  Be sure to credit AJ only for the talent he brought onto the team. 
Since that 2003 draft our drafts have gotten slowly worse and worse with AJ reaching deeper and coming up with less value.  I’m not going to say that AJ is terrible, he has had some good picks.  But in 8 years there aren’t enough hits.  I’d probably rate him as an average drafter who plays off of hunches.  Those hunches have gotten worse and the talent pool for the Chargers has slowly dried up.
AJ also needs to be held accountable for taking an OC guru who cannot lead people and sticking him in as coach on the hope that things would change.  Again, he put the fate of the franchise on a hunch when there was plenty of data to the alternative. 
The last two weeks shouldn't matter unless Spanos wants to continue the slow downward spiral. 




Since: Mar 25, 2009
Posted on: December 23, 2011 3:48 pm
 

Report: Norv, Smith's jobs depend on last 2 weeks

Keep Norv as OC, and AJ as GM, but of course I'm dreaming, since any new HC is going to want to bring in his own coordinators.

not to mention that norv probably wouldnt be willing to step down from the HC spot, and resume coaching the same offense under a new head coach, i can see that situation with luke fickell at ohio state because in college you have certain coaches who will only coach for the school they attended, but i cant see that scenario ever working out within a professional organization, and to go along with what you said, the new head guy would probably want to start fresh, without turner



Since: Mar 25, 2009
Posted on: December 23, 2011 3:42 pm
 

Report: Norv, Smith's jobs depend on last 2 weeks

The real culprit here is AJ Smith.  He should have been fired a LONG time ago.  The Chargers will continue to flounder as long as this man is the GM.  He gave away Drew Brees and fired a 14-2 coach.  NUFF SAID!

they didnt give away brees, they just didnt resign him after shoulder surgery, but i still wonder to myself just how good the chargers would have been if they would have chose to re-sign brees and not draft rivers, ik they came out big winners on the deal that sent eli to new york, if they would have kept brees and drafted someone other than rivers, they would have probably came out even better, but giving credit where credits due, brees was awful the year before rivers was drafted, bad enough that san diego got the first pick of the 2004 draft, but it wasnt until rivers 1st year in san diego did brees start playing up to potential, he was also coming off shoulder surgery when the chargers had to make their decision to re-sign him, so i cant say i really blame them for letting him go when you have a 1st round pick waiting in the wings and healthy as an ox, and it was questionable whether their starter would ever be the same, remember that miami chose daunte culpepper coming off of knee surgery OVER brees coming off shoulder surgery, so san diego werent the only team to show concern over brees future, glad to see the saints were the team that made the right call in the end



Since: Aug 26, 2011
Posted on: December 23, 2011 3:40 pm
 

Report: Norv, Smith's jobs depend on last 2 weeks

I would say even if they do win the next game that Norv and Smith will be gone!  They have lead a talented team to achieve absolutely nothing.  The only way they keep their jobs is if they win a few playoff games.



Since: Oct 3, 2006
Posted on: December 23, 2011 3:10 pm
 

Report: Norv, Smith's jobs depend on last 2 weeks

I'm not a big fan of Turner. It's not rocket science to see the guy is a genius OC, but a rather lame Head Coach. A.J. Smith, however, is another story. Year after year, it's the same Charger-hating turds that proclaim that with all the talent the Chargers have had, they should have won at least a few Super Bowls by now. Well now, where do you suppose the team got all that talent? Hmmm.
The Brees argument doesn't hold water in that nobody knew if his shoulder was ever going to be the same, and in New Orleans, Drew was was surrounded by a perfect fit for him. Hate him as a person if you will, (i'll never understand why, maybe people are just so gullible to media BS) but Rivers has the talent and leadership to lead them to a SB win. Be a witness to last year when he did pretty damn well with a cast of thousands as his receivers because of injuries and Jackson's holdout.
The Marty thing is laughable. Yeah, 14-2 ONE year. He might have done better, too if it wasn't for McCree's fumble after the pick on Brady. And he lost his cool in that game and lost the Bolts 15 yds. Again, Norv is no great head coach, but the players gotta PLAY to make some noise in the playoffs. The one thing I don't like is that AJ and Norv appear joined at the hip.
Keep Norv as OC, and AJ as GM, but of course I'm dreaming, since any new HC is going to want to bring in his own coordinators.
No matter, here's hoping the Bolts can win out and Donkeys, Ryan's mouth and the Bengals trip the right switches for us to sneak into the playoff party.

GO BOLTS




Since: May 7, 2007
Posted on: December 23, 2011 2:50 pm
 

Report: Norv, Smith's jobs depend on last 2 weeks

This is great news!! So the Chargers are going to keep both of them if they win out?? Let's go Chargers!!!! Please win out so we can see more years of underachieving in San Diego!

Or is it really underachieving?? Or are the Chargers simply the most over-hyped team in the league the last 5 to 6 seasons?? Hmmm????



Since: Jan 21, 2007
Posted on: December 23, 2011 2:25 pm
 

Report: Norv, Smith's jobs depend on last 2 weeks

You can say he is good as gone if he got the dreaded "vote of confidence".



Since: Mar 17, 2010
Posted on: December 23, 2011 2:15 pm
 

Report: Norv, Smith's jobs depend on last 2 weeks

Turner is a sheep -- a follower of men.  His teams always underperform their talent and he always has that pained look on his face as they circle the bowl on the way down the toilet at critical points of key games -- especiallly in the playoffs.  He would be fine as an offensive coordinator and perhaps calling plays, but a team needs more than that to challenge for a super bowl -- it needs a leader and he just has never been, will never be, a leader. 



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