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Could Webb replace Ponder as Viking QB of future?

Posted on: December 25, 2011 1:28 pm
 
WebbBy Josh Katzowitz

Joe Webb has made a career so far of entering games when the starting quarterback is injured -- or making a spot start himself -- and impressing people enough for them to say he’s a legit NFL starting quarterback. Now, it seems as if he’s impressed his coach enough for Leslie Frazier to wonder if Webb might be the team’s quarterback of the future.

"Some of the things he does, man, and what it does to the rest of our team -- you can't ignore it," Frazier said, via ESPN 1500. "It's something we're going to take a real hard look at as we go forward. He definitely lifts our team. He's done it. He did it a season ago as well.”

After rookie Christian Ponder was knocked out of Saturday’s game with a concussion, Webb led the team on three scoring drives that helped surprise Washington and knock off the Redskins, 33-26. Webb, once again, showed how he’s a double threat by completing 4 of 5 passes for 84 yards and two touchdowns and rushing four times for 34 yards. Combine that with his performance vs. the Lions a few weeks ago when he replaced Ponder with the Vikings losing by 17 and nearly led the team to a comeback victory, and you can see why Frazier might be having second thoughts about his starting quarterback.

On Saturday, Webb got some help from backup Toby Gerhart, who looked good while rushing for 109 yards on 11 carries after Adrian Peterson left the game with a torn ACL. But Webb has been showing his skill since last year when we quoted Frazier saying, “It'd be hard for me to say that I knew that Joe would play at such a high level so consistently.”

In terms of his ability to impress in short bursts, this year hasn’t been any different for Webb.

"Magic. He's gifted, man," receiver Percy Harvin said. "He's one of the gifted players that you can't describe. You can't practice it. Not too many teams got quarterbacks that can do what he does."

It’s clear that Webb’s teammates, especially Harvin apparently, have great confidence in the second-year player. But it’s hard to imagine that Frazier will turn the keys of his offense over to Webb anytime soon.

Remember, Ponder was the No. 12 pick last year. He signed a four-year $10.5 million contract that was fully guaranteed, so, we’re not talking Peterson-type money here. But it’d still be unusual to give up on a first-round pick after a rocky rookie season. Especially with the lockout preventing Ponder an offseason and with Donovan McNabb taking the team’s first six starts.

But assuming Ponder is out next week with his head injury, Webb should get the chance to start the season finale. And if he makes another spiffy performance, the rumblings about giving Webb more of a chance to take Ponder’s place permanently only will increase.

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Comments

Since: Nov 5, 2007
Posted on: January 29, 2012 8:28 am
 

Could Webb replace Ponder as Viking QB of future?

I love the job Webb has done (as good as Ponder) but I a not sure either are our QBof the future. If Luck or RG3 are available I take one. Preferably Luck. If not, grab Kahlil  or Blackmon to help the QB as much as is possible. I also like ( in a later round) eith Cusins from Mich St or Russel from WI, preferably the later. Both great team player with good legs and ability read D's. Go Vikes!



Since: Feb 23, 2008
Posted on: December 29, 2011 5:24 pm
 

Could Webb replace Ponder as Viking QB of future?

@Wisc

You said: Toejam and Chewy, you have your opinions, I have mine, we'll just have to agree to disagree. 

I really hate that overused and passive aggressive statement.  Basically means I don't like what you have to say and I am no longer going to argue my point with you. Fine, you think my opinion sucks.  You don't wan't to talk about it.  Great!  Just say so.  But it still looks like you want to prove your point anyway.  All I am asking you to do is exactly that.  

I don't care about right or wrong just tell me......what do you want the Vikings to do?  Draft a 1st round QB? If so who....RGIII?  He is probably the only one they would draft at the pos in the 1st rd.  If you go to further rounds it just doesn't make any sense since you have 2 young prospects just as good.   Okay that's one solution.

Or do you want them to trade for a QB?   Again who?  Manning may be available.  Of course I think his contract is pretty big so unless Indy flips some of the bill I think it may be easier to get him in free agency if Indy releases him.  (Not sure I have all that contract info correct).

Who else could they trade for?  I can't think of any great backups that are blocked by starters that are better than Ponder or Webb. Shaun Hill (back up) is pretty good but doesn't answer your long term issue.  You certainly aren't getting young starting guys like Ryan or Stafford.   Bradford may be a guy that has more tools but the price tag will probably be high.  

Buy a free agent or low cost trade retreads?  Well you got McNabb.  Look how that turned out.   Who next year Orton?  Could be okay but isn't the long term solution you are looking for.

So sounds like you want to draft RGIII or make an amazing trade for a young promising starter, Locker? or sell your entire team for Cam newton, Stafford or Ryan?

Or???

Not sure what you are proposing. I think if they drafted RGIII that would be fine as long as they get the same value in a trade for Ponder.  Otherwise that's a waste of a pick.   

They should either trade down and get multiple picks to add depth to several positions or take another dynamic player at a dfferent position.They may continue to do what they ahave been doing and sign someone like Orton or Hill.

Not a bad idea IMO but as only backups to help Ponder or Webb or whoever.
Agree with you in that they need to stop trying to get the qB's with avg skills or are over the hill.  

Like I said I believe their best options are Ponder and Webb.   Better options are not worth what they would have to give up.

Don't agree fine.  Then tell me what they should do.  I am am very interested. 



Since: Dec 26, 2010
Posted on: December 29, 2011 1:58 am
 

Could Webb replace Ponder as Viking QB of future?

Last year when webb played against my bears I thought joe was a good Qb.   Thought Minnesota had found a fantasic QB for their started.  He did a great job comiong in his firsat game (I think) against the bears. I was surprised to hear they picked up Mcnabb and another Qb. Wew could of used Joe Webb on the bears this year.  Wake up Minnesoat you have a diamond in the ruff.



Since: Jan 3, 2008
Posted on: December 29, 2011 1:12 am
 

Could Webb replace Ponder as Viking QB of future?

Toejam and Chewy, you have your opinions, I have mine, we'll just have to agree to disagree. Personally, the Vikings have wasted a lot of time and money over the last few years just trying to buy their way into a championship, all without someone to really guide the ship and make the hard decisions that put a franchise over the top. To me, that is what the Vikes are missing the most and it won't matter who is at QB until that is fixed. They would be taking another huge gamble on Webb at this point with no real assessment of what he has outside of a few fill-in appearances, which often don't mean much.

If you are willing to gamble a few more years on this guy, that's your opinion and choice, but I just don't think this is a wise move.  



Since: May 11, 2007
Posted on: December 28, 2011 9:24 pm
 

Could Webb replace Ponder as Viking QB of future?

I thought the Vikings would have been much better off, by giving Webb a shot at QB, rather than wasting time and money on the has been McNabb.



Since: Aug 6, 2010
Posted on: December 27, 2011 5:42 pm
 

Could Webb replace Ponder as Viking QB of future?

After seeing him play a couple preseasons ago I thought he would one day be the starter.  He is very dynamic and athletic, but would be a great QB with some work on the technical aspect of the QB position.



Since: Oct 2, 2011
Posted on: December 26, 2011 10:48 pm
 

Could Webb replace Ponder as Viking QB of future?

Hey Wiscgc, perhaps you can tell us all what the Dow is going to do next week. Maybe let us in on who is going to win this years Superbowl. You seem to know a lot about the future given your comments about Webb. All we have to go on is his performance. Everything else matters not. Giving Joe Webb a chance sure looks like a good idea right now. How about this for a prediction-Webb will continue to be successful until he isn't. I bet you're one of those guys who keeps saying Tebow isn't NFL material. Just so you know, Brady wasn't NFL material either until he got a shot. Either hand over the upcoming stock closes or stop the speculating blather.



Since: Feb 23, 2008
Posted on: December 26, 2011 6:27 pm
 

Could Webb replace Ponder as Viking QB of future?

at  wiscgc
"Webb is great at doing exactly what he does, come in to be a serviceable QB, but he is not NFL starting QB material, at least not for the long run which is where the Vikings need to be looking." 

Nice statement.  Care to back that up with some facts, stats or historical precedence with former Webblike players.  Webb was a dynamic and versatile player in college playing 3 skill positions.  He was drafted as a WR but certainly has experience at the QB position.  You can check his stats at wiki if you like.  He is extremely strong and athletic.  Again check his wiki for that info.  He was drafted in 2010.  He played in 5 games total.  This year he played in ten but only 1 start.  How the hell do you know that he is not starting qb material.  I would understand if this guy played ten years and had a few chances to really direct an offense, but this guy is young and essentially had less playing time than Ponder to fine tune his skills.   Is Ponder Not starting QB material?   Who exactly is starting QB material in your opinion?  They can't get Luck now, so do you have any better options?  Do you want to tank it next year so you can draft Barkley?

Personally, I think the Vikings have two really good options in Webb and Ponder for the future.  Both are extremely mobile and have at times shown amazing poise under diress.  Most rookies struggle with the transition since there are very few weak links in the pro game to capitalize on. Ponder has struggled a bit but remember he was not the starting QB until midseason and there was no training camp this year.
Who would you rather have? Gabbert, McCoy, Skelton, Painter, Locker, Dalton?   Dalton sure in hindsight, Locker maybe,  Newton of course.  But otherwise you guys are looking pretty good considering your options.   You don't want retreads right?

Ponder and/or Webb. This is your future.  Get used to it.  It ain't that bad. 

 




Since: Mar 11, 2010
Posted on: December 26, 2011 1:44 pm
 

Could Webb replace Ponder as Viking QB of future?

If Tarvaris Jackson can start for the Seachickens , Webb can start for the Vikings.



Since: Jun 13, 2008
Posted on: December 26, 2011 8:37 am
 

Could Webb replace Ponder as Viking QB of future?

Why not give him a shot next year in training camp.He at least deserves that much.Josh,I agree with you as far as it being "unusual to give up on a first-round pick after a rocky rookie season".Maybe if Webb knows he's got a legitimate shot at winning the starting QB job in Minnesota he'll crash & burn or he might just flourish during the pre-season,who knows.They have nothing to play for & he should be given a chance to see what he can do for 4 Quarters next weekend.He also reminds me a little bit of another Rookie QB who plays in the AFC West who's also known for his running ability,his ability to rally his teammates & his success when having to bring his team back.In sports when you have a competition for one spot on the roster & that roster spot entails 'team leader',a lot of players wilt & a lot of players blossom.Besides which,Leslie Frazier might not be around next training camp.Whether he is or not Ponder gets an off-season of OTA's & Webb deserves a shot to prove his value.


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