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Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

Posted on: January 3, 2012 4:25 pm
One way or the other, Flynn's getting paid this offseason. (US PRESSWIRE)

By Ryan Wilson

After what Packers backup quarterback Matt Flynn did to the Lions Sunday -- 31 of 44 for 480 yards and a team record six touchdowns -- we joked on the Pick-6 Podcast (embedded below for your listening pleasure) that the performance would mean the Redskins would be first in line to throw a ton of dough in Flynn's general direction.

We stress "joked."

Then on Tuesday we saw this tweet from ESPN 980's Chris Russell: "Heard Matt Flynn's great performance Sunday generated a lot of buzz & positive chatter amongst the big names of the #Redskins organization."

Of course he did.

Look, Flynn had a mind-blowing afternoon against Detroit, and he also played well during a 2010 start against the Patriots. And in that sense, he's already more accomplished than Kevin Kolb was before he was anointed "the next franchise quarterback" last offseason. The Cardinals gave up a second-round pick and cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, and signed Kolb to a $63 million extension. In return they got nine starts, nine touchdowns, eight interceptions, a 57.7 completion percentage and a ton of questions.

The takeaway: don't devote a non-trivial portion of your salary cap to someone who plays the most important position on the field based on a handful of snaps. Somehow, that wasn't entirely clear to everyone.

The Canton Repository's Steve Doerschuk writes that the Browns could also be interested in Flynn. Doerschuk doesn't cite a source but writes that "There is no question Mike Holmgren would rush soon-to-be-free agent Matt Flynn hard. The only question is how much the Browns president likes the [Flynn]."

Is Flynn an upgrade over Colt McCoy, who Holmgren selected in the third round of the 2010 draft? Sure. Is he so much better than McCoy that the Browns should pay him starter's money to find out? Almost certainly not.

But as's Will Brinson pointed out in Monday's Sorting the Sunday Pile, Flynn made himself some coin with Sunday's effort. "That's going to translate well when he becomes an unrestricted free agent and potentially becomes the most desirable quarterback on the market. There are lots of teams that need a quarterback and Flynn will be on everyone's radar just as much as Robert Griffin III and Andrew Luck. If someone falls in love with him, he might get Kevin Kolb money."

To paraphrase Chris Rock, we're not saying it's right … but we understand.

But if Flynn's in line for a big payday, the Packers might want to get their cut, too. Yes, Flynn's set to be an unrestricted free agent in a few months, but there's a chance Green Bay could franchise him. No, seriously.

Because there may be little time (or opportunity) to trade Flynn before the start of free agency in March, the Packers' might get the biggest return on their investment by franchising him. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's Tom Silverstein explains:
In exchange for being tagged, Flynn would receive a one-year deal worth the average of the last five franchise tag numbers at his position. Last year, the franchise number for quarterbacks was around $14 million, and it's likely to be higher this year.

So once the Packers tag Flynn, that $14 million counts against their salary cap. Flynn would automatically become the highest-paid player on the team in terms of annual salary.

NFL teams are prohibited from trading franchise players. In fact, the rules say you may not franchise a player with the intent to sign him to a contract and then trade him. However, this rule has been broken before and the NFL tends to look the other way.
Silverstein adds that the move isn't without risk for the Packers. Putting aside the illegality of a tag and trade, there's also the issue of having a $14 million backup on your roster if other teams aren't sufficiently interested in trading for him. Which means that team president Ted Thompson would have to work with Flynn's agent "behind the scenes to find a trading partner and then negotiate a deal suitable to Flynn."

Silverstein was told by a "prominent agent who has represented a franchise player" that Green Bay could be in line for a first-round pick at minimum for Flynn, and maybe a first- and third-rounder.

That sounds, well, extreme, especially since Hue Jackson already traded for Carson Palmer. Then again, Redskins owner Dan Snyder isn't afraid to mortgage the future for the possibility of success now. 

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Since: Jul 29, 2010
Posted on: January 11, 2012 3:20 pm

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

Remember Matt Cassell? Brady goes down and after a few weeks it looked like he was almost as good. How's he doing now? The thing is, when you play on a team that always wins, even a substitute player can carry all that confidence on the field with him. The minute he leaves and becomes a stranger in a new strange offense with a O-line that cannot block the same, a RB that doesn't move the ball the same, WR's that can't run the routes so sharp, and defenses can predict the pass, you end up just like Kolb and Cassell. Put Cassell back in NE and Kolb in PHI and I bet they are both playoff bound. Flynn has some damn good route runners and an O-line built to protect Rodgers. Case closed. Oh and the attitude in Green Bay's locker room would be better on any given Sunday than in Jacksonville or Washington, or whereever he could go. Those franchises have begun to except the fact that they may lose. Happy payday Matt Flynn, but I personally won't be surprised if he does not replicate even the numbers from the Pats game last year next season.

Since: Sep 28, 2006
Posted on: January 6, 2012 11:59 am

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

 I remember not so long ago when the Packers had a Qb by the name of Brett, that they also had a slew of developing young qb's in their Qb stable, by the names of Warner, Brooks, Hasselback, Ty Detmer, Mark Brunell, ect  all went on to become starting qb's with other teams and the packers reaped the benefits of churning out capable qb's.  I don't know if this is the start of another period like that but all i know is that Matt Flynn threw for a record 480 yds and 6 Td's that no other storied GB qb has ever done, and he did it against a 10-6 playoff bound team fighting for better position in the playoffs.  Does this mean that Flynn is going to be better than A-Rodg, Favre, or Starr? Probably not it, but it does mean the kid knows he has weapons and used them wisely, mind you he was also without the Pack's top wr.  Just saying.

Since: Dec 22, 2011
Posted on: January 5, 2012 12:09 pm

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

Matt Flynn will be one of the prized possessions of the offseason just like Kolb was last year.  Flynn has had two appearances where he has absolutely torched a defense with last weeks performance along with last seasons game against New England where he almost beat them.  The Packers are going to get a good amount for him as well which they should because he will be an above average quarterback and a few teams do need a starting quarterback badly such as Miami, Cleveland, Jacksonville, and Washington.  You could also add in two teams that could get into the mix being the Seahawks where for some reason thought Tavaris Jackson was the answer and maybe even the Jets put a fire under Sanchez by adding some competition.  Be ready to possibly draft Matt Flynn in fantasy football next year in the late rounds if you need a quarterback because the Packers cant afford not to trade him with what he is worth right now.

Since: Oct 6, 2011
Posted on: January 5, 2012 12:00 pm

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

Flynn is better then Rodgers and Favre. He should start for the Packers and the should trade Rodgers.

Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 5, 2012 10:58 am

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?


As for Matt Flynn, I wish I could get me a 1000 % raise! Enjoy it man, not everyone can get it like that!

If it's only 1000 percent I'll be surprised.  For at least one season it's probably going to be a lot more then that.  If they franchise him to hold onto his rights and if my math is right, it's something like a 2500 percent raise !!!!!   LOL 

Since: Dec 5, 2010
Posted on: January 5, 2012 2:31 am

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

Pleez, let my Dolphins use a little common sense restraint, and not trade the world for Flynn. There is plenty of other needs to address there, Matt Moore may not be the answer, but he seemed very capable. Flynn definitely wrote one heck of a resume against the Lions. He's got people everywhere talking about him, and He is in the drivers seat. Somebody will cough up some huge bucks to get him, and that may actually be a good thing. I just don't want the 'Fins to jump the gun, and think he's the answer. The answer for Miami is to stablize the coaching situation first, use prudence in the draft to deepen the reserves, and IF there is a QB that will fit, take him. But don't go crazy doing it.

As for Matt Flynn, I wish I could get me a 1000 % raise! Enjoy it man, not everyone can get it like that!

Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 5, 2012 2:03 am

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

Since Flynn is automatically going to be a superstar in this league, I have a great idea.  Rodgers only has 3 years and about 27 million left on his deal so why don't the Packers keep Flynn, sign him to an extension and trade Rodgers for the world?  Seriously.... imagine how many holes the Packers would fill for Rodgers in a trade?  I betcha they could get 3 first round picks from a bottom feeder which would include a top 5 or 7 pick this year.  Maybe they'd even get a little more since Rodgers is an awesome qb..... 

Sounds stupid huh? I know.... but since Packer fans are so sure the guy we saw against Detroit this year and against New England last year ( funny how we leave out the second half of the Lions game last year when he threw for a qb rating) why not keep Flynn?  You'll get a whole lot more in a trade for Rodgers then you will for Flynn....

Seriously.. do it.  This way the Lions would be favoured to win the division next season and not the Packers.   LOL 

Since: Jul 20, 2007
Posted on: January 4, 2012 9:30 pm

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

Hell no!
He's been through 4 years of Mike McCarthy QB School. Gannon credits McCarthy with his MVP year. Favre threw away his second SB win after it. Rodgers won SB(and likely 2011) MVP from it.
Flynn is far superior to 25 starting QB in the league now.
He has played, against and with, the deepest roster in the NFL. 
waaaaaaaayyyy better than Kolb.

Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: January 4, 2012 9:04 pm

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

true, i agree for the most part with what you are saying about how he shouldnt get credit for the super bowl, but the former #1 pick in the draft (jamarcus russell) had that same stellar defense and receivers that flynn had, yet he always underacheived in college, and everyone projected him as a first round pick (not me although im an LSU fan, i knew better, he had the talent, just didnt have the drive or work ethic),
Every realistic LSU fan would tell you that Jamarcus Russell had million dollar talent and a ten cent brain.  To be frank about Russell, he was not considered a definite 1st round pick until the Sugar Bowl game against Notre Dame.  That sold his status, despite his many, many flaws.  I'm not saying that Flynn doesn't get credit for the BCS Championship that year (he won the offensive MVP), I'm merely saying that he was not the main cog in that machine.  In fact, Ryan Perrilloux was the starter when LSU won the necessary SEC Championship game to even get into the title game.

the fact is flynn is smart, he is efficient, and he avoids mistakes by limiting risky throws, he did so in college, and he has done so ever since he has been in the pros, he could start over at least 10-15 starting QBs currently starting in this league (tavaris jackson, colt mccoy, rex grossman, matt moore, blaine gabbert, ryan fitzpatrick, kevin kolb, christan ponder, matt hasselback, tim tebow, dirty sanchez etc...)
That's Green Bay homer talk.  Christian Ponder had a good season for a rookie QB with few targets.  Matt Hasselbeck nearly took the Titans to the playoffs despite Chris Johnson's terrible season.  Tim Tebow IS in the playoffs.  The rest of those guys, it would be a competition.  As far as your assessment of his college days, Flynn was a 1 year starter.  He played well, not great but well, in his only season starting.  Personally, I have to see more from the guy before I willing to dub him anything.  1 start and the guy is the 2011 version of Kevin Kolb.

Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 4, 2012 8:23 pm

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

You're right RedWings. Based on Matt Flynn's  against my Patriots last year and his game vs. the lions last Sunday, I would saytheir may even be close to one-third of NFL teams who would be glad to have Matt Flynn at QB. The 2 games may be a small sample size. But the numbers indicate heir may be a hidden talent wasting on the Packer bench.

When you think about it, that really can't even be called a sample size, it's barely anything at all.  BUT..... here's the thing, not only do so many teams need a qb but there are barely any other options out there.  It's crazy, really it is to even consider franchising a 7th round pick with 2 great games in 2 years but there is some unbelievable desperation out there for a qb.   Teams in need of a qb can't even really trade for one because anybody with a decent backup isn't giving them away.  If you need a qb either you draft one or you're screwed.  There MIGHT be a whopping 2 quarterbacks in the 2012 draft that could be ready to play right away, that's it.  Odds are anybody else beyond the top 2 is going to need some time, and some will never make it.  

Matt Flynn franchised or 15 million dollars is a huge gamble, but for a team with cap space it really isn't a big deal.  If he succeeds, they found their qb for the next 5 to 10 years. If he doesn't succeed, they lose whatever they traded, probably a first round pick and a one time loss of 15 million dollars.  That seems like a lot of money but the NFL is the most profitable league in North America and the owners are some of the richest in all of sports on a personal level so the risk isn't what we believe it to be.

The big winner here is Matt Flynn.... He might just go from a 600 thousand dollar salary to 15 million dollars overnight..... not a bad deal.

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