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Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

Posted on: January 3, 2012 4:25 pm
 
One way or the other, Flynn's getting paid this offseason. (US PRESSWIRE)

By Ryan Wilson

After what Packers backup quarterback Matt Flynn did to the Lions Sunday -- 31 of 44 for 480 yards and a team record six touchdowns -- we joked on the Pick-6 Podcast (embedded below for your listening pleasure) that the performance would mean the Redskins would be first in line to throw a ton of dough in Flynn's general direction.


We stress "joked."

Then on Tuesday we saw this tweet from ESPN 980's Chris Russell: "Heard Matt Flynn's great performance Sunday generated a lot of buzz & positive chatter amongst the big names of the #Redskins organization."

Of course he did.

Look, Flynn had a mind-blowing afternoon against Detroit, and he also played well during a 2010 start against the Patriots. And in that sense, he's already more accomplished than Kevin Kolb was before he was anointed "the next franchise quarterback" last offseason. The Cardinals gave up a second-round pick and cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie, and signed Kolb to a $63 million extension. In return they got nine starts, nine touchdowns, eight interceptions, a 57.7 completion percentage and a ton of questions.

The takeaway: don't devote a non-trivial portion of your salary cap to someone who plays the most important position on the field based on a handful of snaps. Somehow, that wasn't entirely clear to everyone.

The Canton Repository's Steve Doerschuk writes that the Browns could also be interested in Flynn. Doerschuk doesn't cite a source but writes that "There is no question Mike Holmgren would rush soon-to-be-free agent Matt Flynn hard. The only question is how much the Browns president likes the [Flynn]."

Is Flynn an upgrade over Colt McCoy, who Holmgren selected in the third round of the 2010 draft? Sure. Is he so much better than McCoy that the Browns should pay him starter's money to find out? Almost certainly not.

But as CBSSports.com's Will Brinson pointed out in Monday's Sorting the Sunday Pile, Flynn made himself some coin with Sunday's effort. "That's going to translate well when he becomes an unrestricted free agent and potentially becomes the most desirable quarterback on the market. There are lots of teams that need a quarterback and Flynn will be on everyone's radar just as much as Robert Griffin III and Andrew Luck. If someone falls in love with him, he might get Kevin Kolb money."

To paraphrase Chris Rock, we're not saying it's right … but we understand.

But if Flynn's in line for a big payday, the Packers might want to get their cut, too. Yes, Flynn's set to be an unrestricted free agent in a few months, but there's a chance Green Bay could franchise him. No, seriously.

Because there may be little time (or opportunity) to trade Flynn before the start of free agency in March, the Packers' might get the biggest return on their investment by franchising him. The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel's Tom Silverstein explains:
In exchange for being tagged, Flynn would receive a one-year deal worth the average of the last five franchise tag numbers at his position. Last year, the franchise number for quarterbacks was around $14 million, and it's likely to be higher this year.

So once the Packers tag Flynn, that $14 million counts against their salary cap. Flynn would automatically become the highest-paid player on the team in terms of annual salary.

NFL teams are prohibited from trading franchise players. In fact, the rules say you may not franchise a player with the intent to sign him to a contract and then trade him. However, this rule has been broken before and the NFL tends to look the other way.
Silverstein adds that the move isn't without risk for the Packers. Putting aside the illegality of a tag and trade, there's also the issue of having a $14 million backup on your roster if other teams aren't sufficiently interested in trading for him. Which means that team president Ted Thompson would have to work with Flynn's agent "behind the scenes to find a trading partner and then negotiate a deal suitable to Flynn."

Silverstein was told by a "prominent agent who has represented a franchise player" that Green Bay could be in line for a first-round pick at minimum for Flynn, and maybe a first- and third-rounder.

That sounds, well, extreme, especially since Hue Jackson already traded for Carson Palmer. Then again, Redskins owner Dan Snyder isn't afraid to mortgage the future for the possibility of success now. 

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Comments

Since: Feb 25, 2008
Posted on: January 4, 2012 5:56 pm
 

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

Like Kolb in Philly , Flynn is just a product of this offensive system. Take those players out of there comfort zone and schemes they fall on there face. Plus the weapons at philly and gb are insane, compared to the cards and whatever crappy team needs a qb..including my dolphins...



Since: Oct 2, 2006
Posted on: January 4, 2012 5:53 pm
 

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

You're right RedWings. Based on Matt Flynn's game against my Patriots last year and his game vs. the lions last Sunday, I would saytheir may even be close to one-third of NFL teams who would be glad to have Matt Flynn at QB. The 2 games may be a small sample size. But the numbers indicate heir may be a hidden talent wasting on the Packer bench.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 4, 2012 5:19 pm
 

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

But if Green Bay wants to franchise him, call their bluff and let them eat it. That is how you stop the ridiculous contracts. Stop giving them to players that haven't proven anything yet. Like Kolb, and Flynn.

Sounds like a great idea but it's never gonna happen, not in today's NFL.   All it takes is for one or two teams with cap space that need a qb and they'll trade for an unproven Flynn in a split second.  I don't think they should, but what I think doesn't matter one bit.  

There are 5 or 6 teams that have nothing at the qb position.... I betcha at least 2 of them will bid for Flynn's rights, it's just how these things work.  Then again if you look at what teams like Arizona, Seattle, Jacksonville, KC, Miami and Washington have at qb it becomes obvious an unproven Flynn will get his money.   



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 4, 2012 5:14 pm
 

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

honestly i feel that if green bay franchises him, it makes it less likely they he will play elsewhere next season, because not many teams will be willing to give up those picks for a guy you arent guarunteed to have more than a season, because you would get him for 1 year, as compared to negotiating say a 3 year deal with him as a free agent, for around 20-25 mil, seems alot more reasonable, plus you can keep your draft picks, i think it would be a bad move by green bay to franchise flynn, that is unless rodgers gets hurt next year, then they will probably be glad they did, but if i owned a team, no way would i consider getting stuck paying my backup QB 15 mil, all for a possible draft pick or 2, i doubt they would get a 1st rounder, mainly because the teams most needing of a QB could potentially be giving up a top 10-15 pick, but arizona proved this past offseason that when a team is desperate for a QB, they will pay

assuming GB does franchise him, i could see someone like washington or seattle trying to trade for him, but i dont think green bay will get as much as they would want in return, mainly because of the amount the team will owe flynn due to the franchise tag 

I did some reading and found a few things you might find interesting.  Here's what I found out.   First of all as we all know Flynn is a free agent after the season.  If GB doesn't franchise him or doesn't sign him to a new long term deal ( which is very unlikely they do) Flynn can go anywhere he wants and GB will at most get a 3rd round compensatory draft pick in return, maybe even worse then that depending on the deal he signs somewhere else and how his new deal is structured.   If GB tenders him as a franchise player and he signs anywhere else, GB can match any offer he gets but if GB doesn't match an offer the team signing Flynn gives up not one but TWO first round draft picks for him.   The other option and more likely option is GB franchises him and trades his rights to another team for less then 2 first round draft picks.  Normally in any other sport a team like GB would be taking a huge risk but the risk might not be as big as we think, not for GB anyway.  Why? Because so many teams are in desperate need of a qb I betcha somebody will trade for Flynn knowing that yes, they have to pay him 15 million for 1 season but if they have the cap room their risk is only for one season. If he works out they sign him to a long term deal.. if he doesn't they'll cut him loose.  What will GB get in a trade?  It depends... supposedly they would give his agent permission to market Flynn's services and start a bidding war.  That's where the 1st round pick or a first and third came into play...it really could happen.

The team trading for him is taking the risk because in my opinion GB won't get stuck with Flynn if they franchise him, somebody will take him off their hands for more then just a 3rd or 4th round compensatory pick.  

Your suggestion that GB should try and sign Flynn to a 3 year deal for say 20-25 million dollars and then trade him looks great on paper and maybe that could happen, but think about this for a second.  Why would Flynn ever sign an extension with GB when he could become an UFA and EASILY get 20 or 25 million from one of many teams out there.  Flynn wouldn't be doing himself any favours signing with GB since he would have more freedom and options and more likely more money signing a free agent deal somewhere on his own.  Signing an extension with GB ties his hands because he doesn't get to choose where he wants to play, GB makes that choice for him based on trade offers they receive.

I think there are only 2 options... either they let Flynn go for basically nothing or they franchise him and trade him to the highest bidder.... I just can't see Flynn signing an extension and losing all control, unless of course he's franchised.  In that case he won't give a rat's ass where they trade him because he's guaranteed every penny of that 15 million dollars... it's 100 percent guaranteed money no matter how he plays anywhere. 



Since: Sep 28, 2010
Posted on: January 4, 2012 5:03 pm
 

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

I have said this over and over, for Cleveland to sign Flynn only has anough upside to shut the fans up until week 8. Yes he is familiar with the WCO, yes he has a few good games under his belt, NO HE IS NOT WIRTH THE RISK. Maybe the Browns feel McCoy isn't the answer, but who can be when they only get a year to learn and perform. The Browns actually did him a serious displeasure in thinking Mo Massoquai and Brian Robiskie along with Greg Little could be considered viable weapons. Add the Hillis BS and the rookie o-line guys in the most fierce defensive division in the NFL, how was Colt not set up for failure?
Now, if you look at Miami they would be a better fit with talent already on the roster. Same for the Jets, if they consider moving Sanchez. Washington is no man's land, Flynn would be better off staying a backup in GB for his own well being. I personally think that this guy is going to either want to go to a decent team with a chance to flourish, or to a team willing to gamble high stakes like AZ did with Kolb and KC did with Cassel. Let's also not forget that this guy plays behind a great line, making it a bit easier to make throws to some great recievers and also having a run game that MUST BE respected. Being a backup on a high powered offense makes things alot easier than if he starts for a CLE team or any team that doesn't have what he needs to be good. 



Since: Mar 25, 2009
Posted on: January 4, 2012 4:48 pm
 

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

Fair enough.  But here's my question, is he worth the salary of a top 5 NFL quarterback?

hell no, but when you have teams like buffalo that throw ridiculous amounts at ryan fitzpatrick after a couple good games, you cant blame flynn for taking his money when it is offered either

Because there is a fantastic chance he gets franchised and the Packers trade his rights to one of the desperate teams in the NFL looking for a quarterback.  

honestly the only way i see them franchising him is if they cant lock up finley long term, but even if they do, that pays flynn big money for 1 season, not long term, if they were to trade flynn under a franchise tag, the team he was traded to would owe him a nice check for one season, if he doesnt work out, dont resign him, if that team doesnt want to take the risk, save your draft picks and make green bay eat that franchise tag

If you were a team in need of qb would you trade a 1st round pick and maybe even a 1st and a 3rd ( those are rumors I've read) AND pay Flynn 15 million dollars for next season?  Is all of the above a little much for a kid that played well in 2 games over the last 2 seasons?

honestly i feel that if green bay franchises him, it makes it less likely they he will play elsewhere next season, because not many teams will be willing to give up those picks for a guy you arent guarunteed to have more than a season, because you would get him for 1 year, as compared to negotiating say a 3 year deal with him as a free agent, for around 20-25 mil, seems alot more reasonable, plus you can keep your draft picks, i think it would be a bad move by green bay to franchise flynn, that is unless rodgers gets hurt next year, then they will probably be glad they did, but if i owned a team, no way would i consider getting stuck paying my backup QB 15 mil, all for a possible draft pick or 2, i doubt they would get a 1st rounder, mainly because the teams most needing of a QB could potentially be giving up a top 10-15 pick, but arizona proved this past offseason that when a team is desperate for a QB, they will pay

assuming GB does franchise him, i could see someone like washington or seattle trying to trade for him, but i dont think green bay will get as much as they would want in return, mainly because of the amount the team will owe flynn due to the franchise tag



Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: January 4, 2012 4:19 pm
 

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

Is this an attack on Flynn? Is this implying Flynn will fleece some team out of millions of dollars, suck, and average a concussion every 3 games? Isn't Kolb a cautionary enough tale to not repeat? Sure, give him a decent middle of the road contract, like second round draft pick rookie QB money. But if Green Bay wants to franchise him, call their bluff and let them eat it. That is how you stop the ridiculous contracts. Stop giving them to players that haven't proven anything yet. Like Kolb, and Flynn.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 4, 2012 4:12 pm
 

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

the fact is flynn is smart, he is efficient, and he avoids mistakes by limiting risky throws, he did so in college, and he has done so ever since he has been in the pros, he could start over at least 10-15 starting QBs currently starting in this league (tavaris jackson, colt mccoy, rex grossman, matt moore, blaine gabbert, ryan fitzpatrick, kevin kolb, christan ponder, matt hasselback, tim tebow, dirty sanchez etc...)  assuming those teams are running the west coast system of course 

Fair enough.  But here's my question, is he worth the salary of a top 5 NFL quarterback?  Because there is a fantastic chance he gets franchised and the Packers trade his rights to one of the desperate teams in the NFL looking for a quarterback.   

If you were a team in need of qb would you trade a 1st round pick and maybe even a 1st and a 3rd ( those are rumors I've read) AND pay Flynn 15 million dollars for next season?  Is all of the above a little much for a kid that played well in 2 games over the last 2 seasons?





Since: Dec 8, 2009
Posted on: January 4, 2012 2:06 pm
 

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

That would be awesome!



Since: Mar 25, 2009
Posted on: January 4, 2012 1:58 pm
 

Is Matt Flynn the next Kevin Kolb?

He was a serviceable game manager with a stellar defense and two stud receivers (LaFell and Doucet.)

true, i agree for the most part with what you are saying about how he shouldnt get credit for the super bowl, but the former #1 pick in the draft (jamarcus russell) had that same stellar defense and receivers that flynn had, yet he always underacheived in college, and everyone projected him as a first round pick (not me although im an LSU fan, i knew better, he had the talent, just didnt have the drive or work ethic),

but it just goes to show that what goes on between a QB's ears is the most important quality of a good QB, and flynn has that covered, flynn only started for 1 year in college and it was good enough to bring home a title, he has been having to prove himself ever since college and i dont expect that to change, nor the results he has produced, he was overshadowed by russell for several years before finally getting to start and winning a championship, the packers selected him as a 7th round pick after they had already spent a 2nd rounder on brian brohm, and all it took was one preseason for flynn to earn the backup job in green bay and brohm was shipped to buffalo

the fact is flynn is smart, he is efficient, and he avoids mistakes by limiting risky throws, he did so in college, and he has done so ever since he has been in the pros, he could start over at least 10-15 starting QBs currently starting in this league (tavaris jackson, colt mccoy, rex grossman, matt moore, blaine gabbert, ryan fitzpatrick, kevin kolb, christan ponder, matt hasselback, tim tebow, dirty sanchez etc...)  assuming those teams are running the west coast system of course



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