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Could Browns be interested in RG3, Kolb?

Posted on: January 10, 2012 4:41 pm
Edited on: January 10, 2012 5:00 pm
 
McCoy's stint as Cleveland's starter may already be over. (US PRESSWIRE)

By Ryan Wilson

The Browns begin this offseason like most others: with plenty of questions at key positions and plenty of needs at others. Chief among them: quarterback.

Cleveland drafted Colt McCoy in the third round in 2010, team president Mike Holmgren's first year with the organization. Injuries forced McCoy onto the field as a rookie and despite the odds, he fared well. So well, in fact, that he appeared to have the job for 2011 and hopefully longer.

Instead, McCoy's sophomore season was a combination of an unoriginal offensive philosophy, a paucity of playmakers, and in the end, injuries. He didn't play the final three weeks of the season and first-year head coach Pat Shurmur was uninterested in committing to McCoy as the team's starter in 2012.

“As we go forward here with Colt, he’s done some really good things,” Shurmur said according to wire reports. “Get him back healthy, get him in an offseason where he has a chance to develop. I expect that Colt will improve just like I expect (backup) Seneca (Wallace) will improve and whoever the quarterbacks are here. I think that can be said for all positions, so the best quarterback will play when we start the season.”


The Browns have the No. 4 and No. 22 picks in April's draft and it's reasonable to think that they'll seriously consider a quarterback. Andrew Luck is destined for Indianapolis, who'll take him first overall, but the next two teams -- the Rams and the Vikings -- drafted their franchise QBs in 2010 (Sam Bradford) and 2011 (Christian Ponder). Which means that, even with USC's Matt Barkley returning to school, Heisman trophy winner Robert Griffin III of Baylor should be on the board. And Cleveland could be interested.

The Cleveland Plain Dealer's Tony Grossi writes that "I would not automatically eliminate the Baylor quarterback from consideration with the Browns' top pick simply because he is a product of the one-read, shotgun spread offense."

Not a ringing endorsement, but it's also January. A lot can change between now and late April. A lot can change between now and the start March too, when the Cardinals owe Kevin Kolb a $7 million roster bonus.

So why mention Kolb in the middle of a post about the Browns' quarterback needs? Yep, that's right -- should the Cards decide to cut their losses with Kolb after one season, Cleveland might be a potential landing spot.

And that prospect brings us back to Grossi:

"Baylor coach Art Briles was the coach at University of Houston when Kevin Kolb rolled up similar numbers -- without the rushing yards and touchdowns -- in the very same offense. … Kolb was a much better quarterback in the West Coast offense in which he was schooled in Philadelphia. Arizona doesn't run it. Also, Kolb was drafted by Philadelphia partly based on evaluations made by (Tom) Heckert and coach Pat Shurmur -- the Browns' top two football men. Heckert was the Eagles' general manager, though he didn't have final football authority, and Shurmur was the team's quarterbacks coach."

Kolb is one year into a five-year deal in Arizona that will pay him $63 million, including $20 million in guarantees. But a concussion and a toe injury limited him to just nine games in 2011 where he completed 57.7 of his passes for 1,955 yards, 9 touchdowns and 8 interceptions.

We're not convinced Kolb is much of an upgrade over McCoy, and certainly not at starting-quarterback money. Which is why, at least at this early stage of the process, that RGIII could be the frontrunner. Unless, of course, the Browns draft Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill. The Plain Dealer's Mary Kay Cabot writes that the team "will likely take a hard look" at him, too.

Whatever happens, the organization has to nail this draft. With an extra first and fourth-rounder courtesy of the Falcons, and coming off a four-win season, Holmgren can turns things around quickly with the right players. Otherwise, the team's future will look a lot like its past and present.

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Comments

Since: May 29, 2010
Posted on: January 12, 2012 10:35 am
 

Could Browns be interested in RG3, Kolb?

As if it matters who Cleveland takes. Cleveland is where talents goes to wither and die. They are a perrenial 4-5 win team.
Tee hee hee!  Because bad teams never get good again.  Because the Steelers didn't suck for most of 3 decades.  Because the Saints didn't have like 20 losing seasons in row.  Because the Lions weren't awful for the last forever.

And obviously it matters to you, since you took the time to read the article and comment on it.   

 



Since: Sep 17, 2007
Posted on: January 11, 2012 8:17 pm
 

Could Browns be interested in RG3, Kolb?

He's right dilrod. He said take Blackmon first, who I don't know will be available at #4, but Griffin should be there at #22. As if it matters who Cleveland takes. Cleveland is where talents goes to wither and die. They are a perrenial 4-5 win team.  
Given the desperation for struggling teams to find QB's that will generate interest and give their franchises hope, Griffin will be gone in the top 5 and if you think he'll drop not only out of the top 10, but all the way to 22, you do not know how the NFL works nowadays. Consider how Ponder and Gabbert shot up the draft boards a year ago despite being mediocre talents, or Flacco and Sanchez in recent years and you'll see that not only will RG3 be a top 5 pick, but it's possible if not probable that a mid-round guy like Ryan Tannehill will sneak into the first round, especially with Matt Barkley and Landry Jones returning to school. Guys like Kolb, Cassel & Flynn are journeymen that cash in on a handful of good games but will never be more than mediocre in a full time role, whereas Griffin has a Cam Newton-like electricity about him and the Browns are so boring and bad that they have nothing to lose. They just better hope nobody makes a trade to leapfrog them to take Griffin.



Since: Jan 11, 2012
Posted on: January 11, 2012 5:53 pm
 

Could Browns be interested in RG3, Kolb?

The Browns have to select RG3 to finally find 'the guy'.  I have seen RG3 play in person 6-7 games and he's the real deal.  Great arm, unbelievable speed, and smart.  Great ambassador for Cleveland, super popular guy, the whole package.  If they have to give up the 22nd pick acquired from Atlanta, so be it.  For you guys who think adding a wide receiver and another playmaker can move the needle, you're kidding yourselves.  Ask anyone in Carolina now if they are optimisitic about the Panther's future, they all will say 'hell yeah, we've got Cam Now'.  Having 'the guy' makes building and adding key pieces doable, otherwise without 'the guy' you're spinning your wheels.

I think a lot of Colt, I went to UT and have seen him play every game of his career since leaving Tuscola High for Austin, every game.  He has a 'ceiling' which even he cannot 'will' away - its a lack of arm strenght that makes essential passes at the NFL level not doable for him, plain and simple.  He is a much better fit in an environment like New Orleans, backing up Drew Brees, throwing passes in a dome.  To compensate for his lack of arm strength he needs ideal conditions with a tremendous cast around him.  RG3 is one of those 'transcendent' players that will make everyone around him better.

Throw in a burner deep threat with RG3 and you've got a defensive nightmare on your hands.  RG3 makes us someone relevant, someone other teams fear.  You draft the very best player possible who happens be the one who touches the ball on every play - that's RG3.  Accept no substitutes!



Since: Nov 3, 2011
Posted on: January 11, 2012 5:04 pm
 

Could Browns be interested in RG3, Kolb?

I'm all for the Browns getting RG3, but not at the cost of extra draft picks, and let's be honest, that's what it's going to take.  I'd rather see them take a stab at Flynn in FA, and use the draft for other offensive weapons.



Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: January 11, 2012 4:52 pm
 

Could Browns be interested in RG3, Kolb?

As if it matters who Cleveland takes. Cleveland is where talents goes to wither and die. They are a perrenial 4-5 win team.  



Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: January 11, 2012 4:50 pm
 

Could Browns be interested in RG3, Kolb?

Adgmod3,

Did you just say RG3 would be available at #22?  You may also go back to playing Angry Birds.  Where do these idiots come from??

He's right dilrod. He said take Blackmon first, who I don't know will be available at #4, but Griffin should be there at #22.



Since: Jan 9, 2008
Posted on: January 11, 2012 2:51 pm
 

Could Browns be interested in RG3, Kolb?

The Browns only have 2 receivers that can get open, and both of those have stone hands. Use your 2 first round picks to get decent wide receivers.



Since: Jun 4, 2007
Posted on: January 11, 2012 9:06 am
 

Could Browns be interested in RG3, Kolb?

Adgmod3,

Did you just say RG3 would be available at #22?  You may also go back to playing Angry Birds.  Where do these idiots come from??



Since: Jun 4, 2007
Posted on: January 11, 2012 9:03 am
 

Could Browns be interested in RG3, Kolb?

Kubbfan,

Vick plays where?  Philly.  Philly runs what kind of offense?  West Coast.  Go back to playing Angry Birds.

The Browns need a playmaker.  Compared toColt McCoy  RG3 is more athletic, has a a stronger arm, is more accurate and most improtantly, smarter. 




Since: Dec 7, 2011
Posted on: January 11, 2012 8:01 am
 

Could Browns be interested in RG3, Kolb?

does not seem like rg3 would fit the browns. they appear to be a more traditional offensive style. rg3 is more in the style of vick.


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