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What does the Caldwell firing mean for Manning?

Posted on: January 17, 2012 5:33 pm
Edited on: January 17, 2012 5:51 pm
Manning, Irsay

ManningBy Josh Katzowitz

Now that Jim Caldwell has been fired as the Colts head coach, what does that say about what will happen to the face of the franchise for the past 15 years?

Well, it’s probably not great news for those who would love to see Peyton Manning back at the helm of the Colts offense.

As we came to understand this year, Caldwell’s job absolutely depended on Manning playing* – though you have to wonder if Caldwell had gotten more out of his team like, say, a 4-12 season instead of a 2-14 record, maybe Irsay would have kept him – and without that safety net, he was exposed as something less than stellar.

*You know how so many people joked (or maybe they weren’t joking) early this season that Manning should be the league MVP this season because of how different Indianapolis was without him? On that same note, you could make the claim that Manning has done the most damage of anybody in the Colts organization. I mean, look at how many people have been fired because Manning didn’t play this season, including a potential Hall of Fame executive in Bill Polian.**

**Obviously, I’m joking (or maybe I’m not).

But now that Caldwell is gone, along with Bill and Chris Polian, will the Colts decide to bring back Manning for another season and pay his gargantuan salary to do so? Or, will Indianapolis completely begin to reconstruct the franchise without him?

We already know what Manning prefers. His father Archie Manning said Sunday that, “Peyton kind of likes his roots in Indy. … We’ll see what happens there. If that doesn’t work and he can get healthy we’ll see. That’ll all work out. He’s just trying to get healthy.”

While new general manager Ryan Grigson said today that he and the ownership haven’t discussed Manning or who their future quarterback might be -- though that claim seems rather dubious, right? -- here are four reasons why the Colts might decide they’re better off without one of the best NFL quarterbacks in history.

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Can Manning be what he was?: We obviously have no idea. Manning has no idea. And it's obvious that nobody has any idea whether Manning, following spinal fusion surgery that kept him out the entire 2011 season, will be healthy enough to play in 2012 or whether he’ll be the same MVP-caliber player. Apparently, he’s on target with his recovery goals and he began throwing after practice toward the end of the season, but he’s still a long way from knowing exactly how healthy he can be going forward.

New guys who have no loyalty to Manning: Irsay believes Manning is like family. Bill Polian and Jim Caldwell did, as well. But Grigson won’t feel that way, and most likely, neither will the new coach. Because, well, why should they? And why should they be loyal to Manning? The answer: they shouldn’t, and if Irsay is cleaning house in his organization, he has to know that letting go of Manning might be the next logical move. And if he wasn’t OK with that, he probably shouldn't have fired everybody.

Drafting Luck: Although Irsay claims no decision has been made about whether the Colts will take Andrew Luck with the top pick in next year’s draft, there have been reports that Irsay will do exactly that. And really, how can he not? If the scouts are right and Luck is truly one of the best quarterbacks to emerge from college since Manning, how could Indianapolis not take him? Especially since Manning, at best, has only a few years left in his career, and Luck, if he’s anywhere close to Manning’s talent level, could be running that team for the next 15 years.

Huge money due: Manning originally was due a $28 million bonus on March 8, and though it’s been reported that the Colts want to work out an extension with Manning so they could postpone the decision (considering Manning seems to be amenable with the Colts and wants what’s best for his team, I imagine that will be OK), they can’t push the decision that far down the road.

And that’s really at the crux of the issue. The Colts need to know if Manning can play and play well. Manning can’t give them an answer. With a new direction for the front office, how much are the Colts really going to risk trying to ride Manning to the playoffs for the next few years? The answer: they very well could decide they won’t. And honestly, maybe they shouldn’t.

It's a new world in Indianapolis, and there simply might not be enough room for Manning in it.

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Since: May 25, 2011
Posted on: January 19, 2012 9:57 am

What does the Caldwell firing mean for Manning?

The Colts are a pretty dumb organization as proven this year. Their failing to groom a decent backup to the great Peyton was a terrible mistake. If Peyton is able to play, and they dump Peyton, and put all their hopes in Andrew Luck, they will be dumber than this past season. How many "college heros" fail in the NFL? Peyton is great enough to groom any college hero if they allow him to do so. Peyton holds all the cards. Maybe he will chose not to play another year with the Colts, and affiliate himself with a winning organization.

Since: Oct 18, 2006
Posted on: January 18, 2012 3:33 pm

What does the Caldwell firing mean for Manning?


     The shot part of the story is that Irsey was courting other cities in an attempt to get consessions from the city of Baltimore. In response the city of Baltimore attempted to either buy the team for $40M and sell to local investors or to enact emanate domain proceedings, condem the team and operate it in "the public interest". This was not the first time Baltimore had used the emanate domain proceedure to take private property. On 27 March 1984, the Maryland senate approved the second course of action. Irsey moved the team on 28 March 1984 after normal business hours because he feared the State Senate would quickly finalize emanate domain proceedings if he attempted to move during business hours.
     On 29 March the Maryland Governor signed the pending seizure legislation...but it was too late. The Colts had left Maryland. The city then filed a condemenation suit which they lost 18 months later.  
    While I do not understand the emanate domain proceedure, as I am only a football fan not a lawyer, it is common record that is the course Maryland was atempting to take. FYI


Since: Aug 23, 2010
Posted on: January 18, 2012 3:33 pm

What does the Caldwell firing mean for Manning?

The key date is March 14.  That is the start of the 2012 season and Payton does not want to push back the date for getting that bonus past that date because the Colts can sign and trade him.  As long as the due date for getting the bonus is before the start of the 2012 season the Colts either have to pay him or release him.  If he is released he can sign with who ever he wants vs being traded to whereever the Colts can get a deal done.  But who going to pay that kind of money for a great qb with a serious health risk?  Remember Payton still doesn't know if he can even take a hit.  Who want to risk millions on Payton right now?  I don't know without seeing him play in a game and that won't happen before March 14.Cool

Since: Oct 5, 2007
Posted on: January 18, 2012 3:08 pm

What does the Caldwell firing mean for Manning?

Irsay is going to leave the decision to his new GM, which is why he cleaned house - to take that off his shoulders and hide behind him. Not to say I blame him, and this is certainly not an easy decision, but you have to let him go. Independent of whether they take Luck, which they will, they need to start over.  Having Luck on the sidelines watching is not going to help anyone. They will draft Luck, followed by a whole bunch of defensive players. The year after that, they take a WR, a new toy for Luck and by 2015 they'll start winning again. Peyton will go to the Broncos for the last three years of his career and ride off into the sunset after taking them to the AFC Championship game vs. none other than the Colts. What a way to end your career- a loss to the guy that replaced you...see, this is fun!

Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: January 18, 2012 2:43 pm

What does the Caldwell firing mean for Manning?

I am sorry but this has got to be one of the dumbest articles I have ever read.  What does the Caldwell firing mean for Peyton Manning?  The correct answer is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! 
DING, DING, DING, DING!!! We have a winner. That is correct sir. This is all speculative BS. Like that the hometown media Colts guru Bob Kravitz (douchebag) had a gut feeling that Caldwell was going to stay and made his feelings known, 2hrs prior to the press conference, that announced the FIRING of Caldwell. Good call Kravitz. Irsay has made his feelings known that he and he alone will make all the calls on the Peyton situation. And you are crazy if you think he doesn't keep him if he is at about 80% or better on his recovery by the time the draft rolls around. He is going to due everything in his power to keep Peyton. Doesn't mean he won't draft Luck though. I could see the Colts being crippled by the cap with 2 QB's just to keep Peyton there. But, I think he will renegotiate. Peyton knows that he will never have the freedom anywhere else that he does in Indy and it would behoove him to take a paycut and stay rather than go after the money, learn a new system, new coaches, location, and probably see a major decline in his performance as result for a year or so and then bam, he's 40 and retiring. If he can play, I don't think there is any possibility he plays for anyone other than the Colts.

Since: Jan 18, 2012
Posted on: January 18, 2012 2:20 pm

What does the Caldwell firing mean for Manning?

You need a coach with a big name that can sell to Andrew Luck that backing up Manning is probably the best for his career and sell to Manning that drafting Luck doesn't mean rebuilding but it means insurance in cause u get hurt, Peyton.  Jon Gruden is the only name I can think of with the resume and prestige capable to coach up Luck and make Manning better at the same time.  Gruden made Rich Gannon, Brad Johnson, and Brian Greise great; imagine what he can do with Manning for the next three years and the 14 with Luck.  If you pair Gruden with a great defensive cooridnator (A DC capable of a to draw scheme like the Tampa 2 since the Colts are built for the Tampa 2 scheme).  You will have success for the rest of Manning's career and the next 14 after with Luck. If you can name a coach with better resume than Gruden capable of handling Manning and Luck, I am all ears.

Since: Sep 12, 2011
Posted on: January 18, 2012 1:18 pm

What does the Caldwell firing mean for Manning?

I would agree if Jon was as good as he thinks he is or some people think. The reality is that he really isn't that great. Look at his record. You need to be careful to get the right coach for the new quarterback of the future.

Since: Aug 22, 2006
Posted on: January 18, 2012 1:13 pm

What does the Caldwell firing mean for Manning?

I am sorry but this has got to be one of the dumbest articles I have ever read.  What does the Caldwell firing mean for Peyton Manning?  The correct answer is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!  The Colts will draft Luck because they have to think life after Peyton.  They will keep Peyton because of their loyalty for one and secondly, if he is healthy is still an elite quarterback.  The Colts have a luxury in that they don't have to rush Luck (if they draft him)out there and he can learn from one of the greatest to ever play the position.  Granted, this an expensive luxury, but a luxury nonetheless.  Caldwell has absolutely no bearing on what the Colts will do with Manning. If he is healthy he will start and that is with ANY coach they bring in.  Any casual fan can see this, why can't someone whose profession is sports journalism?

Since: Jan 18, 2012
Posted on: January 18, 2012 12:22 pm

What does the Caldwell firing mean for Manning?

With the hiring of Ryan Grigson as GM and the firing of Head Coach Jim Caldwell, the Colts have an opportunity to hire a head coach with a great resume.  With Ryan Grigson looking to for a Head Coach capable of coaching Manning now and Luck later. They is only one Coach capable of doing that and his name is Jon Gruden.  Gruden was able to coach up Rich Gannon in Oakland and Brad Johnson in Tampa Bay (as well as Brian Griese). Imagine what he can do with Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck.  Gruden would be a perfect fit for these team offensively and defensively.  Gruden coached Monte Kiffin's Tampa 2 Defense in Tampa to win a championship; The Colts runs the same scheme.  If Grigson doesn't hire Jon Gruden,  He shouldn't get comfortable in Indy. 

Since: Aug 7, 2007
Posted on: January 18, 2012 12:19 pm

What does the Caldwell firing mean for Manning?

And besides, it wasn't Jim Irsay making the decisions it was Bob Irsay. He is long gone.

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