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Cam Newton and other Pro Bowl roster additions

Posted on: January 23, 2012 2:04 pm
Edited on: January 23, 2012 3:38 pm
 
NewtonBy Josh Katzowitz

Now that the Patriots and Giants officially are heading to Indianapolis for Super Bowl XLVI, that means nobody from New England and New York will be flying to Honolulu this week for the Pro Bowl.

Which means we get tons of additions and deletions to the roster!

Here’s the list so far.

-Panthers standout rookie quarterback Cam Newton will replace Eli Manning on the NFC roster. As you well know, Newton threw for 4,051 yards passing, the most ever by a rookie quarterback in NFL history while recording 21 touchdowns and posting an 84.5 quarterback rating. Newton also rushed for 14 scores, the most ever by an NFL quarterback.

-Bears defensive end Julius Peppers will take over for New York’s Jason Pierre-Paul. This is Peppers’ seventh Pro Bowl appearance, and it’s the first time since Richard Dent in the mid-1980s that a Chicago defensive end has made the roster in back-to-back seasons.

-Jets guard Brandon Moore will replace New England’s Brian Waters on the AFC roster. This is Moore’s first Pro Bowl selection. Ravens guard Ben Grubbs will take over for Logan Mankins.

-Bad news for Tim Tebow. According to Pro Football Talk, Ben Roethlisberger “definitely” is attending the Pro Bowl festivities, meaning Tebow, the second alternate, will be staying home this week (and maybe going on tour with Brad Paisley instead).

-As the Cincinnati Enquirer reports, Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton replaces Tom Brady, tight end Jermaine Gresham replaces Rob Gronkowski and defensive tackle Geno Atkins replaces Vince Wilfork.

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Comments

Since: Jan 29, 2012
Posted on: January 29, 2012 10:34 pm
 

Cam Newton

I know you're on vacation Cam, but could you at least try to play like a pro-bowler?  All I've seen is nothing but a pretty terrible quarterback in the second half for the NFC.  And try tucking your shirt in you arrogant prick.  What a joke.



Since: Jun 26, 2009
Posted on: January 27, 2012 4:45 pm
 

Cam Newton and other Pro Bowl roster additions

Tebow, Vick, Young. Probably the best 3 QB (other than Cam) in the rushing department over the last 2 decades. Tebow (9-7) with playoff victory. Young (31-19). Vick(53-37). The ability to get the first down, even when things break down, is a big thing to an offense, and to a winning %. This is especially true with teams that can win poss time and have a good to great defense.

Carolina went 6-10, and Newton had arguably the best season that a running/passing QB has ever had. If Newton had the defense that these 3 QB's had/have, Carolina wins at least 10 games. Newton will end up being the best dual threat QB ever if he stays healthy and keeps up the torrid pace he has set, and I only see him getting better from here, especially throwing. The kid is a beast, no denying it.

 You'd have to follow the argument. It started with one person who noted that Cam did nothing special. And that directly correlates to ignoring the rushing skills of a running QB. The person noted Comp %, total passing yards, total passing TD as his qualifications. 

Next poster challenges my assertion that Cam is a top 4 QB in the NFC. I provide information to that point. He uses Stafford partially as the argument. 

Now, you say "just because we think Stafford is better doesn't mean we are ignoring QB rushing stats." 

So I say, how do you argue to a crowd when every crowd member wants to take the conversation in a different direction?


You are right, I just went through and looked. I jumped into an argument and only knew half of it, my bad. 

For the record, I dont think Stafford is better (I dont think he is worse either), I think he had a better season. Cam brings things to the table that Stafford never will, and Stafford brings things to the table that Cam hasnt (and possibly never will). If Cam ever gets as good as Stafford from the pocket, well, he will be a DC's worst nightmare on a weekly basis. And that is possible, Cam suprised me bigtime this season, and he has the potential to be the next best thing in sports. It is near impossible to compare these two QB's, as they are different in so many ways, but IMO Stafford had a better season and should be playing in Hawaii, by a close margin. Really could have gone either way, and I can see both sides of the argument. Cam earned his respect and had a whale of a season for a rookie. Far better than Staffords rookie year, or his first 16 starts, either way you wanna look at it. Carolina is going to be dangerous next year, and for seasons to come, and so will the Lions (barring injuries). They will both more than likely see a few Pro Bowls throughout there careers. Maybe it is a good thing Stafford isnt going, he cant get hurt if he doesnt go, right.



Since: Aug 18, 2008
Posted on: January 27, 2012 11:37 am
 

Cam Newton and other Pro Bowl roster additions

First off, if Cam Newton had a defense half as good as Vince Young did in most years, Carolina just might be playing in place of the Giants in a couple of weeks. So to say that Vince Young has that record all by his self is ridiculous, it was his defense that bailed him out when he threw all those picks. Newton is lightyears better than Young, and this was his rookie season. If Carolina fixes the defense, they will be contenders, big contenders. 

Tebow, Vick, Young. Probably the best 3 QB (other than Cam) in the rushing department over the last 2 decades. Tebow (9-7) with playoff victory. Young (31-19). Vick(53-37). The ability to get the first down, even when things break down, is a big thing to an offense, and to a winning %. This is especially true with teams that can win poss time and have a good to great defense.


To say that people are neglecting the rushing aspect of a QB just because they feel Stafford had a better season that Eli and Cam is just not true. They, including me and yourself, just think that Stafford had a better season, and deserves the Pro Bowl MORE than Cam does. Not that Cam does not deserve to be there, not that Cam had a bad season, just that Stafford deserves it MORE, just that Stafford had a BETTER season. 

You'd have to follow the argument. It started with one person who noted that Cam did nothing special. And that directly correlates to ignoring the rushing skills of a running QB. The person noted Comp %, total passing yards, total passing TD as his qualifications.

Next poster challenges my assertion that Cam is a top 4 QB in the NFC. I provide information to that point. He uses Stafford partially as the argument.

Now, you say "just because we think Stafford is better doesn't mean we are ignoring QB rushing stats."

So I say, how do you argue to a crowd when every crowd member wants to take the conversation in a different direction?



Since: Jun 26, 2009
Posted on: January 26, 2012 2:20 pm
 

Cam Newton and other Pro Bowl roster additions

But you continue to neglect the rushing aspect of a QB completely. And the ability to move the chains in any way possible is why someone like Vince Young still has a 31-19 (62%) record as a starter despite having a 74.4 career QB rating, and a negative TD/Int ratio. Yeah, Vince Young, despite having considerably less skills than Cam in the passing department (and rushing department for that matter), has led his team to an average 10-6 record. 

First off, if Cam Newton had a defense half as good as Vince Young did in most years, Carolina just might be playing in place of the Giants in a couple of weeks. So to say that Vince Young has that record all by his self is ridiculous, it was his defense that bailed him out when he threw all those picks. Newton is lightyears better than Young, and this was his rookie season. If Carolina fixes the defense, they will be contenders, big contenders. 

To say that people are neglecting the rushing aspect of a QB just because they feel Stafford had a better season that Eli and Cam is just not true. They, including me and yourself, just think that Stafford had a better season, and deserves the Pro Bowl MORE than Cam does. Not that Cam does not deserve to be there, not that Cam had a bad season, just that Stafford deserves it MORE, just that Stafford had a BETTER season. 



Since: Aug 18, 2008
Posted on: January 25, 2012 12:39 pm
 

Cam Newton and other Pro Bowl roster additions

 

And NOT to take anything away from Newton and his rushing TDs -- it is an extremely impressive record to break, BUT, 6 were for 1 yard out and three others were less than 5 yards.

I'm not saying Newton didn't have a great year for a rookie, but there is exactly zero chance he had the 4th best year for a QB in the NFC in 2011.  

Yeah, it must be a terrible thing to have a QB who can function as a short yardage back. All TD for RB are treated the same, why aren't they for QB, exactly?

 

Only an idiot neglects the rushing portion of a QB's reportoire. Especially when that player ran for the 2nd most TDs in the league, and despite being a QB added another 700 yards rushing. 

There's no doubt that Rogers and Brees deserved the Pro Bowl nod, as did Eli. However, you can't tell me this guy isn't more important than the 15th QB in the NFL, in his rookie year. I mean... comeon man. You know as well as I do that all but perhaps 6 franchises would be just as good or better off with Cam as their QB. And since 6 QB make the Pro Bowl, it doesn't matter to me that the NFC had 3 inarguable guys who made it. 

After all, it isn't like Cam was top 5 in QB for TD he was responsible for.

So there is no doubt Rodgers and Brees deserved the pro bowl nod -- I agree with that.  Then you say, Eli Manning deserved it to.  Here are some stats for you:

E. Manning -- 4933 yards passing, 29 tds, 61.0% completion, QB rating 92.9 -- Giants finished 9-7
M. Stafford -- 5038 yards passing, 41 tds, 63.5% completion, QB rating 97.2 -- Lions finished 10-6

If the NFC had 3 guys who, as you say, inarguably deserved to make the team -- How is it that Stafford threw for more yards, threw for more tds, completed a better %, had a higher QB rating and his team finished with a better record while playing a tougher schedule - so if Manning inarguably deserved to make it -- what about Stafford?

 

I was wrong about Eli, I think Camdeserved in over him, as the numbers will suggest.
Cam - 60.0% comp, 4,784 total yards (4,051 passing, 706 rushing, 27 receiving) 35 total TD (21 Passing, 14 Rushing)
Eli - 61.0% comp, 4,948 total yards (4,933 passing, 15 rushing), 30 total TD (29 Passing, 1 Rushing)

160 yards difference and 5 completions(on a 500 attempt season) doesn't make up for 5 TD in my mind.

It should also be noted that the Panthers were 5th in scoring, and 7th in total offense, whereas the Giants ranked 9th in scoring and 8th in total offense. The Lions in this same argument finished 4th in scoring, and 5th in total offense. (Lions finished with 100 more yards and 68 more points than the Panthers). However, I think you also have to consider the improvement from the previous season, where Cam was the major difference maker there. Previously, the Panthers were #32 in points scored (196), and #32 in yards (4,135). Adding Cam to that offense provided double the points (406), and 50% more yards (6,237). Considering the Pro Bowl is supposed to be a representation of a player's regular season, there's no doubt in my mind that Cam bested Eli, and while he and Stafford provide some interesting debate points (as the Lions also exploded this year), you probably still, at worst, have to consider Cam the #4 QB in the NFC. And considering he's still a rookie, that's an amazing feat, and the sign of a very bright future in Carolina... especially if Steve Smith stays healthy and productive (big IF).



Stafford also deserved in more than Eli. And Stafford deserved in more than Cam (IMO, but it was close, based on what I consider to be the whole of each's achievements this season). My previous assertion that Eli was a gimme was incorrect as I thought he'd put up better numbers than he actually did.


But you continue to neglect the rushing aspect of a QB completely. And the ability to move the chains in any way possible is why someone like Vince Young still has a 31-19 (62%) record as a starter despite having a 74.4 career QB rating, and a negative TD/Int ratio. Yeah, Vince Young, despite having considerably less skills than Cam in the passing department (and rushing department for that matter), has led his team to an average 10-6 record.

If they started tracking 1st downs on sports sights, the reasons for this would become more clear.




Since: Mar 18, 2007
Posted on: January 24, 2012 9:05 pm
 

Cam Newton and other Pro Bowl roster additions

I'm being redundant here, but why the hell do the have the $%^#! Pro bowl before the Superbowl? Can't they wait& have the stupid thing at the end of Feb. or something when we are all going nutty & through withdrawals because it's the suckiest time of year, not to mention the suckiest time of year for sports because there is jacksquat to watch! Plus none of the 14, or so players from the Pats & G-holes get to play& miss out on all the crazy-ass hotties that attend ll the festivites!!! 



Since: Oct 29, 2010
Posted on: January 24, 2012 6:42 pm
 

Cam Newton and other Pro Bowl roster additions

There can always be a debate why one player deserves it over another but if I had a team in the NFC and couldn't get the top 3 QB's, I'd take Newton to lead my team. He took a team that was a laughing stock the year before and almost singlehandedly turned that franchise into one that has a legit chance of winnig every Sunday.



Since: Oct 21, 2006
Posted on: January 24, 2012 4:03 pm
 

Cam Newton and other Pro Bowl roster additions

No matter how much you guys jump up and down about Stafford not getting in, you are ignoring that his season didn't light up until the second half, near the end or after the PB voting was finished. Yes it's flawed, but it is what it is. Get over it. Stafford's a stud and will have his day.



Since: Oct 21, 2006
Posted on: January 24, 2012 4:00 pm
 

Cam Newton and other Pro Bowl roster additions

Newton broke a number of Rookie QB stats - he deserved it. If they get their D back they will be contenders.



Since: Oct 21, 2006
Posted on: January 24, 2012 3:59 pm
 

Cam Newton and other Pro Bowl roster additions

Well deserved. Where's all the "Scam Newton" trolls? Hiding in shame as they should be.


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