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Much has to happen for Manning to land with Cards

Posted on: January 23, 2012 7:05 pm
 
Could Whisenhunt and Manning share the same sideline in 2012? (US PRESSWIRE)

By Ryan Wilson

Kevin Kolb was traded to the Cardinals almost six months ago. The team was in desperate need of something resembling a quarterback after Kurt Warner retired following the 2009 season, and Derek Anderson, Max Hall and John Skelton took turns looking completely lost in that capacity in 2010. At the time, we thought that Arizona gave up too much for Kolb. (They sent cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie and a second-round pick to Philly, then signed Kolb to a five-year, $63 million -- $20 million guaranteed -- contract extension.) As the regular-season progressed and Kolb struggled with consistency and injuries, Arizona came to the same conclusion.

Neither coaches nor front-office types came out and admitted it, but they didn't need to. Kolb played in nine games, missed seven more with injuries, and finished the season throwing for 1,955 yards (57.7 completion percentage), 9 touchdowns, 8 interceptions and taking 30 sacks.

By comparison, Skelton, the second-year backup made seven starts, threw for 1,913 yards (54.9 completion percentage), 11 touchdowns, 14 interceptions and took 24 sacks.

Statistically, not much difference between the starter and the guy behind him on the depth chart -- until you compare their salaries. According to Sportrac.com, Kolb counted $4,000,000 against the Cardinals' 2011 cap (it increases to $10 million in '12 and $13 million in '13); Skelton came in slightly less than that at $450,500.

It's understandable that the Cardinals might a) have reservations about Kolb's future and b) consider other options starting, well, now.

Arizona Republic beat reporter Kent Somers wrote Monday about the recent speculation that the Cardinals would have great interest in Peyton Manning should the Colts decide to move forward without him. CBS Sports' Charley Casserly mentioned this two weeks ago.

"One team to watch (should Manning become available)? The Arizona Cardinals," Casserly said at the time. "They can get out of the Kevin Kolb contract and also Ken Whisenhunt's been down this road before. A veteran quarterback coming in at the end of his career? Kurt Warner."

Somers is quite certain the Cards would be interested in Manning because "The entire NFL, minus the obvious few, will go after Peyton if the Colts dump him."

Fair point. Somers then went through the logistical gymnastics that would be required before an Arizona-Manning marriage could take place:
No. 1. Manning has to be healthy enough to play after missing 2011 with a neck problem. That's no small hurdle.

No. 2. The Colts must decide to release Manning. As Darren Urban of azcardinals.com wrote, Manning is due a roster bonus of $28 million on March 8. Kevin Kolb is due a $7 million roster bonus on March 17. For obvious reasons, releasing Manning would not be an easy decision for Colts owner Jim Irsay.

No. 3. If Manning is released, numerous teams will express interest. But how many of those places will be attractive to Manning. This is, I think, where the Cardinals could have an advantage. Throwing to Larry Fitzgerald has to be an attractive prospect. With Beanie Wells and Ryan Williams, the Cardinals have two talented young running backs. There are questions on the offensive line, however. The Cardinals' defense was stout over the last half of the season. Under Whisenhunt, the Cardinals have proven they are willing to throw the ball and to mold their offense around the strengths of an older quarterback.
In general, investing heavily in guys on the downside of great careers isn't the most efficient way to sustain organizational success from one year to the next. But Whisenhunt had Warner fall into his lap and they were one play away from a Lombardi Trophy. If Arizona has the chance to land Manning, they have to dump Kolb and do it, right? Because based on what we saw in 2011, the alternative, in all likelihood, is neither efficient nor successful.

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Comments

Since: Jan 19, 2007
Posted on: January 25, 2012 4:41 pm
 

Much has to happen for Manning to land with Cards

Peyton Manning would ba a great fit for the Jets. If they can get that defense back to form, Manning could be the piece that makes the Jets a true contender. They already have a capable backup QB in Sanchez.



Since: Mar 29, 2007
Posted on: January 25, 2012 10:48 am
 

Much has to happen for Manning to land with Cards

When are people going to come to relization that if Peyton can play it will be in Indy. If he's not in Indy its because they know something and if they don't want him any other team would be foolish to think that Peyton can be a starter for them



Ace, there are 28 million reasons why your post is incorrect



Since: Nov 15, 2009
Posted on: January 25, 2012 1:49 am
 

Much has to happen for Manning to land with Cards

Andrew Luck number 1?! I am sorry evreyone, but the number one pick should be Robert Griffin lll. Period. Griffin will be able to do more with less. And he will only have less, until Jim Irsay and his new  GM build the Colts around him. Ala Peyton Manning. Griffin is the real deal folks. I watched quite a bit of Stanford games, and Luck was good. Good with swing passes, good play action fakes, consistent footwork. However, I never saw Andrew Luck throw down field more than 25 yards though. I never saw Luck have a strike come out of his hand. And by that I mean simply, a tight spiral to a WR on a 15 yard out for a first down. I think Andrew Luck is way more hyped than he should be. Robert Griffin lll will win games. Griffin will score. And score. And score, And just for fun, score.  Robert Griffin can do what ever he pleases on the field and off of it. Dude is crazy intelligent as well. Actually graduated last year and has been messin' around with a masters. In Law. Yeah. Oh,wait. He just scored again. Griffin has world class speed and throws strikes every time he unloads. He could be bigger than Peyton Manning in Indianapolis. For real.



Since: Feb 18, 2011
Posted on: January 24, 2012 5:44 pm
 

Much has to happen for Manning to land with Cards

lol...he said spase



Since: Jan 24, 2012
Posted on: January 24, 2012 12:41 pm
 

Much has to happen for Manning to land with Cards

rodney, ask Peyton's kid brother about that one.  The Giants aren't the team that drafted him; the Chargers were.  It was Eli's absolute refusal to suit up for the Chargers that led to his trade to New York.



Since: Nov 14, 2006
Posted on: January 24, 2012 11:10 am
 

Much has to happen for Manning to land with Cards

Redwings,

How can Luck have any options?  If he is drafted by the Colts, he can't "sign somewhere else". If he refuses to show up, Indy still has his rights and he would have to be traded by Indy unless he sits out for a season or two which would be the same as being Manning's backup without any practice or the salary. 

GO WINGS.

 




Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 24, 2012 9:59 am
 

Much has to happen for Manning to land with Cards

Why not? This is precisely why they put in the rookie  cap. They can easily fit both under the cap and although recently the trend has been to start QBs their first year you could consider guys like Cam Newton anamolies. Not so long ago guys like Rivers and Rodgers were sitting behind great QBs. 

First of all you technically could be correct if and only if Peyton is willing to restructure his new deal and backload instead of the front loading players normally demand.  But one reason I said there is no chance at all they draft Luck and start Manning is because if anybody is paying attention to what Luck has said recently, he WANTS TO START !!  Andrew Luck has no interest in sitting for 3 years and honoring Peyton Manning.  He's as ready coming out of college as any qb has been in a very long time. 

People will try to justify Luck sitting on the bench by saying he'll be better off with a successful organization then starting right away somewhere else, but that's not true at all.  Indi is rebuilding, they are not the same team they used to be.  Even with Manning they weren't projected by many analysts pre season to win more then 8 games, and they are now a year older.   Carolina became a much more exciting and successful team with Newton and in 3 years the Lions went from 0-16 to a 10 win team with Stafford.  I'm certain Luck wants to play football and not just sit with a clipboard admiring Manning.  

I'm willing to bet Luck refuses to sign a deal with Indi if Manning is in the picture.  If Luck has 2 options, sign somewhere else and play right away or for the exact same paycheck sign with Indi and sit until Peyton feels like retiring why does anybody believe Luck will choose to sign with Indi?

Doesn't make sense.... unless of course you're an Indi fan and then it does make sense because you wanna convince yourself that you can have it all.  In reality though, no way in hell you get it all.   



Since: Sep 12, 2006
Posted on: January 24, 2012 8:06 am
 

Much has to happen for Manning to land with Cards

I had same surgery also what hasn't been mentioned is the chronic nerve problems and muscle spasms you have from the surgery



Since: Sep 25, 2009
Posted on: January 24, 2012 12:18 am
 

Much has to happen for Manning to land with Cards

If Peyton is healthy and plays football the only way it can be in Indy is if they trade the rights to Luck.   There is no chance at all a healthy Manning plays football in Indi another 2 or 3 years or longer and Luck holds onto a clipboard. 
Why not? This is precisely why they put in the rookie salary cap. They can easily fit both under the cap and although recently the trend has been to start QBs their first year you could consider guys like Cam Newton anamolies. Not so long ago guys like Rivers and Rodgers were sitting behind great QBs.

I don't know that this is what will happen, but to say "no chance at all" is really going out on a limb.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: January 23, 2012 11:54 pm
 

Much has to happen for Manning to land with Cards

When are people going to come to relization that if Peyton can play it will be in Indy. If he's not in Indy its because they know something and if they don't want him any other team would be foolish to think that Peyton can be a starter for them

If Peyton is healthy and plays football the only way it can be in Indy is if they trade the rights to Luck.   There is no chance at all a healthy Manning plays football in Indi another 2 or 3 years or longer and Luck holds onto a clipboard.  


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