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Marshall Faulk: Passing for 5K yards 'is nothing'

Posted on: February 16, 2012 1:49 pm
 
Maybe Schwartz was just settling Stafford down. (Getty Images)
By Will Brinson

In 2011, Matthew Stafford threw for 5,038 passing yards. If you're new to the NFL, that's a large, large number. In fact, it's only happened five times in NFL history, so it's a rather impressive feat. Unless you're Marshall Faulk anyway.

The NFL Network analyst and Hall of Fame running back, speaking specifically of Stafford, told MLive.com recently that passing for 5,000 yards "is nothing" in today's NFL.

"Throwing for 5,000 yards in the NFL right now is nothing," Faulk said. "I don't want to take anything away from it. As much as people throw the football now, you better have 5,000 [yards] if you have Calvin Johnson."

Look, Stafford's already been snubbed enough already in 2011: he threw for the fifth-most passing yards in NFL history and somehow didn't make the freaking Pro Bowl. (In fact, we spoke to Stafford and DirecTV "displaced fan" John Tracy about this at the Super Bowl: Stafford said he was indeed "disappointed" while Tracy pointed out that Stafford was easily the top Pro Bowl snub of the 2011 season.)

And Faulk has a small point here: three of the five 5,000 yard seasons happened in 2011. There have only been 99 4,000 yard seasons in NFL history, and 10 of them happened last year as well.

But let's not downplay this as a meaningless feat; to chunk it for five grand means you average over 310 passing yards per game over the full course of an NFL season. There's some luck (like not having a running game and being involved in some shootouts) necessary, of course, and it didn't hurt that Stafford led the NFL in attempts, at 663.

It didn't hurt either that he was throwing the ball to Megatron. But if we're presuming that Faulk would defend Kurt Warner and his inability to get 5,000 yards, even in his MVP season of 2001, he didn't exactly have a group of slouches either: the sum of Torry Holt, Isaac Bruce and Faulk himself are vastly superior to Megatron alone.

But maybe Faulk's not being defensive of Warner and the "Greatest Show on Turf" teams. Maybe he genuinely believes that passing for 5,000 yards "is nothing." In that case, he may recognize the obvious uptick in passing in the NFL, but he's simply wrong in shortchanging the milestone.

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Since: Sep 3, 2007
Posted on: February 18, 2012 10:32 am
 

Marshall Faulk: Passing for 5K yards 'is nothing'

Clearly it is a special accomplishment, and was only done twice in history before this year if I am not mistaken

Wow, you mean to can read the article that says "three of the five 5,000 yard seasons happened in 2011." and come to the conclusion that 5-3 = 2? AMAZING! We have the next Sir Isaac Newton.



Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: February 17, 2012 2:50 pm
 

Marshall Faulk: Passing for 5K yards 'is nothing'

If its nothing, why isnt the majority of teams doing it?


well I would say it's getting there.  5000 yds may be a stretch, but in the past, throwing for 4000 yds was a pretty hefty number.  this year alone, the league set a record with 10 - 4,000 yd passers, and doesnt include a few other quarterbacks that would have reached that mark had they not been hurt.  Matt Shuabb and maybe cutler come to mind.  this also doesnt include the three  that threw for 5000 yds.  the new rules and refs interpretation of those ryules have let the passing game get out of hand.  its almost circus like.  So what 13 out of 32 teams threw for over 4000 yds. Thats a pretty good rate.



Since: Apr 14, 2011
Posted on: February 17, 2012 12:37 am
 

Marshall Faulk: Passing for 5K yards 'is nothing'

In a few years, we are going to find the football was passer friendly, the arms were juiced, the field was juiced, the game officials called too many pass interference penalties, the field was shorter, e.g. the playing length was 95 yards instead of 100, the endzones were 12.5 yards instead of 10, the receivers used undetectable stickum on their gloves and anything else similar to baseball's homerun steroid era of 1989-2006.

The fans will get tired of the basketball like final scores, the four hour games and the death of good defense.  Sanity will once again reign when the numbers return to normal.



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: February 16, 2012 11:08 pm
 

Marshall Faulk: Passing for 5K yards 'is nothing'

And by the way, 5000 isn't going to be the "norm" either.  Three qb's did it this year, less then 10 percent of the league.

I'd say you have a good point but it has happened what 5 times in NFL history...  and 4 times since 2008... so maybe not the "norm" but that was a once in a life time thing when Brees did it in 2008 it was "amazing" but now that 3 players did it in 2011 1 got 4900 yards and 2 others got 4600 yards... and 10 QB's including Newton had 4000 yards passing... its a pass happy league and we'll see more 5000 yard seasons and "norm" as it was put of QB's just airing it out because thats what the NFL "fan" wants to see... keep tweaking rules for the offense and effect the defensive players so its a "safer" game...



Since: Oct 3, 2006
Posted on: February 16, 2012 7:16 pm
 

Marshall Faulk: Passing for 5K yards 'is nothing'

I will bet that we will not see one 5k passer next year. It is not the Norm if everyone isn't doing it. Norm is like 3k..MFaulk is always talking stupid anyways..No credibility ever with this guy. He's the one who said 2 years ago that the Saints-Seahawks game was a hugh mis-match in N.O.'s favor despite playing in Seattle...No one should pay any attention to an idiot!!!!!!



Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: February 16, 2012 6:27 pm
 

Marshall Faulk: Passing for 5K yards 'is nothing'

And Marshall Faulk is the foremost expert on passing for what reason? Must be his 0 of 2 passing for 0 yards and a career passer rating of 39.6.

What a terrible point. 

Since when do you have to be an "expert" QB to discuss quarterback stats?  John Clayton is one of the foremost "experts" on a lot of NFL topics - I'd be comfortable betting a beach house that he's never played any professional QB.

I've picked up 0 kickoff return yards in the NFL.  That doesn't disqualify me from stating that a kickoff return TD is more difficult now than it was pre-strike.



Since: Sep 6, 2006
Posted on: February 16, 2012 6:23 pm
 

Marshall Faulk: Passing for 5K yards 'is nothing'

Faulk is mostly right.  He just didn't choose his words carefully enough.  What he should have said was "Throwing for 5,000 yards in the NFL right now is nothing compared to when Dan Marino did it."
  
The league has made it impossible to hit QBs and WRs in the last 2 years.  What's happened?  In 2 years, the number of 5,000-yard seasons in NFL history has gone from 1 to 5.  THREE QBs threw for 5,000+ this year (with Eli Manning coming up about 65 yards short of being the 4th).

That doesn't mean it's "nothing" to throw for 5,000.  Now.  It's as impressive as throwing for 4,000 yards was in the 1990s.  But it's "nothing" compared to what it used to be. 

Kind of like how hitting 50 HRs in the late-90s/early-2000s was "nothing." 




Since: Aug 30, 2011
Posted on: February 16, 2012 5:54 pm
 

Marshall Faulk: Passing for 5K yards 'is nothing'

And Marshall Faulk is the foremost expert on passing for what reason? Must be his 0 of 2 passing for 0 yards and a career passer rating of 39.6.


Thats not quite up to snuff with the Ryan Leafs of the world Marshall, but keep practicing and maybe someday you can throw for a single yard, let alone 5000......  




Since: Aug 30, 2011
Posted on: February 16, 2012 5:51 pm
 

Marshall Faulk: Passing for 5K yards 'is nothing'

Maybe "norm" was not the correct term.  Probably "benchmark" would be correct.  The top 5 QBs will routinely hit 5000+ yds if more teams adapt to the short passing game (i.e. Patriots, Saints) instead of running the ball.  The more Roger changes the rules the more yards that will come via the pass.  Even the Steelers are a passing team.  It wouldn't surprise me if Roger eliminated the "5 yard chuck" completely and allowed no contact off the line of scrimmage.  Guys like Welker couldn't be stopped.




Since: Apr 6, 2009
Posted on: February 16, 2012 5:50 pm
 

Marshall Faulk: Passing for 5K yards 'is nothing'

Marshall is right, the league has made very easy to make it to 5,000 these days.  Cornerbacks cant hit recievers until they catch the ball a take a step or curl up to protect themselves.  Back in the day recievers got murdered when they came across the middle of the field.  hats why you have people like Randy Moss who just ran fly routes so he didnt have to get hit.  Quarterbacks are also protected far more than they use to be.  Now days if you look at the quaterback wrong that's a penalty. Where as when Marino played and set the record you could do what ever you wanted to the quarterback and his line was told block longer and better or get your quarterback killed.  The game is a lot softer and it has to be very frustrating for the defense when Godell is constantly digging in your pocket.  I guess he has to produce the money for his 20 million dollar salary some how.


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