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RG3 probably won't throw at combine, wants 4.4 40

Posted on: February 21, 2012 10:59 am
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Griffin's legs will speak for the quarterback at the combine. (Getty Images)
By Will Brinson

Robert Griffin III is one of the more interesting athletes at this year's NFL combine. He's a big-time athlete whose stock can only go up as the draft approaches. If he shines at the combine and at his Pro Day -- now scheduled for March 21 -- teams will scramble for the No. 2 pick the Rams currently hold.

But it won't be because of his throws, as Griffin said on the Dan Patrick Show that he "probably" wouldn't throw at the Combine.

"I don’t think so," Griffin said Tuesday. "It’s still up in the air but I'm probably not going to throw."

RG3, as Rob Rang noted recently, already said he was unlikely to throw at the combine. Griffin might not need to throw, however. He's going to run the 40-yard dash, and if he posts a sub-4.4-second time, it's going to generate some buzz. Griffin thinks he can.

"I think there's a possibility," Griffin said before acknowledging he'd gone under 4.4 in the 40-yard dash before.

Griffin ran track in high school (he owns a pile of Texas state records) and early in his career at Baylor (he set a Midwest Regional record for the 400-meter hurdles) so speed isn't an issue. Size is Griffin's issue; as CBSSports.com's Clark Judge pointed out in his recent combine preview, Griffin's measurements in the coming week are something to watch.

(The size versus speed thing is also why the RG3-Cam Newton comparisons are just silly. Newton's 6'5", 248 pounds. Griffin's 6'2" 220. If Newton could run a 4'4" he'd be Superman. Literally.)

But it's speed that will really cause teams to fall in love with Griffin. If he goes sub 4.4, the biggest winner is St. Louis, because the auction for that top pick is going to get hot and heavy.

Speaking of auctioning for Griffin's services, it's also worth noting that RG3 signed with Adidas. The shoe company announced the news on Tuesday and Griffin confirmed it on Patrick's show. And we dug up this first Adidas commercial with Griffin, who Adidas is wisely marketing as "RG III."

You know, what with their three-stripe logo and all.



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Since: Jun 17, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2012 3:09 pm
 

RG3 probably won't throw at combine, wants 4.4 40

Were you watching the same NFL we were watching last year?

Obviously not, but show me where my argument doesn't make sense. Was it the fact that Flacco, Ryan and Sanchez had instant success? or that the rules has changed and quarterbacks are putting up crazy numbers? or the lockout blowing up everyones stats.



Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: February 21, 2012 3:04 pm
 

RG3 probably won't throw at combine, wants 4.4 40

I am dismissing his accomplishments, its a FACT that its easier for quarterbacks to come in the NFL and being successful like Cam, Flacco, Sanchez because the rules have changed for the quarterback and as far as his "record' season the lockout had something to do with it because defenses werent prepared. I mean, Chad Henne threw for 500 yards for the first week.

I am not saying Cam isn't good because he's got ability but I need to see more and lets not gloss over the fact that his team won 5 or 6 games, his play waned during the season and he still shows immaturity by throwing his team under the bus during the season and arrogance. 
Were you watching the same NFL we were watching last year?



Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: February 21, 2012 3:03 pm
 

RG3 probably won't throw at combine, wants 4.4 40

Also I am not like everyone else and ready to put Cam Newton in the hall of fame.

Neither am I. But, I was ready to call Cam a bust based on his college games I saw and the media destroying his intelligence and smearing him through the "Cecil Scandal". He never showed that arm in college or the accuracy. Point being, you can't really judge until they get in the NFL and show us something, good or bad.



Since: Jun 17, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2012 3:03 pm
 

RG3 probably won't throw at combine, wants 4.4 40

I for one am not ready to put Cam in the Hall, but dismissing his massive accomplishments is just as myopic.  The man was a stud for 2011.  No matter what, he holds a ton of rookie records, and he was IMPROVING as a passer throughout the season.  He has a winning attitude and hates to lose.  WHat more do you want in your franchise QB?

I am dismissing his accomplishments, its a FACT that its easier for quarterbacks to come in the NFL and being successful like Cam, Flacco, Sanchez because the rules have changed for the quarterback and as far as his "record' season the lockout had something to do with it because defenses werent prepared. I mean, Chad Henne threw for 500 yards for the first week.

I am not saying Cam isn't good because he's got ability but I need to see more and lets not gloss over the fact that his team won 5 or 6 games, his play waned during the season and he still shows immaturity by throwing his team under the bus during the season and arrogance. 



Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: February 21, 2012 2:56 pm
 

RG3 probably won't throw at combine, wants 4.4 40

 and RGIII has better arm strength if the college games are to be believed, and about the same amount of accuracy. 
Whoa. Slow down there Rev. Drew Brees had more arm in highschool and college than he does now. He used to laser almost every pass that wasn't a fly route in college. He has since put touch on his passes. There may be clips of him on youtube but he has always had a rocket arm. I have never seen that out of RG3. The other comparisons are there though. Both very accurate, make good decisions. We will see if RG3 has the pocket presence of Brees. Only time and experience will tell.



Since: Jun 17, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2012 2:49 pm
 

RG3 probably won't throw at combine, wants 4.4 40

Running quarterbacks DONT win championships, so don't bring up speed because that is the last thing I want my quarterback to do is run and get hurt so my scrub backup comes in ala Curtis Painter.

In this case, you HAVE to have a good O-line for the cars (Manning, Brady, Rogers, etc) to be successful.
I don't know what you are watching but Manning, Brady or Rodgers hasn't had good offensive lines. Rodgers had to get guys out of retirement when they won a championship and the Giants have had issues over the past few seasons and the Pats line has been mediocre at best.


IN addition, he played for Baylor, not nearly the national powerhouse as VaTech.
Baylor is an up and coming program that has produced high first round picks over the last few years (Jason Smith, Phil Taylor, Danny Watkins) and has a number of NFL players on their roster that will be drafted and some high in the future.


 



Since: Dec 15, 2007
Posted on: February 21, 2012 2:44 pm
 

RG3 probably won't throw at combine, wants 4.4 40

*I for one am not ready to put Cam in the Hall, but dismissing his massive accomplishments is just as myopic.  The man was a stud for 2011.  No matter what, he holds a ton of rookie records, and he was IMPROVING as a passer throughout the season.  He has a winning attitude and hates to lose.  WHat more do you want in your franchise QB?



Since: Dec 15, 2007
Posted on: February 21, 2012 2:38 pm
 

RG3 probably won't throw at combine, wants 4.4 40

To compare RGIII with any other current QB on a one to one basis shows a lack of understanding on his unique abilities.

RGIII compared to Michael Vick:  They are both fast, but RGIII is a far more upstanding citizen and far more intelligent (he is working on his masters degree right now).  RGIII also has a much better arm coming out of college than Michael Vick had.  Remember, this dude had thrown for more touchdowns than incompletions after 3 games (may have been 4).  IN addition, he played for Baylor, not nearly the national powerhouse as VaTech.

RGIII vs. Cam Newton:  This was already addressed in another comment, but RGIII is fast, Cam Newton is reasonably fast with a huge body.  Same difference in throwing the rock, though - Cam did not have the same skill set coming out of college.  We can compare Wonderlic scores later.

RGIII vs. Drew Brees:  Both are "undersized."  Seems to really be hurting Drew Brees right now.  In addition, RGIII is far faster than Brees, and RGIII has better arm strength if the college games are to be believed, and about the same amount of accuracy.  We may one day look at RGIII as a fast Drew Brees

RGIII vs R. Cunningham:  No one knew how to use Cunningham.  It was never a question of skill.  He won games when he was 38 and immobile.  In the current age of mobile quarterbacks, there is actually an understanding by OCs that the offense should cater to the strength of the QB, not the other way around.  Cunningham never had such an OC, and they kept trying to plug him into a standard offense.  Still doesn't make any sense to this day.

RGIII vs ANY Manning, Tom Brady, Aaron Rogers, etc:  Motorcycle vs Car.  Both get you there, but one will need way more maintenance (car).  In this case, you HAVE to have a good O-line for the cars (Manning, Brady, Rogers, etc) to be successful.  It doesn't have to be all-star, but it has to be good.  With a mobile quarterback, you can sink more money and resources into your skill positions and defense without having to give an o-lineman $60 million (you can "get by" with decent o-line play....anyone look at Philly lately?)

Everyone needs to judge the man on his merits, which is why the team that trades up to get him will know what they are getting, and will have the personnel and staff necessary to cater the offense to the QB.  Cam Newton tore it up last year with an offense that couldn't punch its way out of a paper bag in 2010.  That's the power of a star quarterback, and RGIII has all of the skills necessary to be one.

I would love to see him go to Cleveland.  Nothing against Colt McCoy, but I bet they would get a 2-3 game improvement just because of a QB upgrade.  McCoy has trouble checking down.....hence, the concussion last year from Harrison (really?  You didn't see him coming?).



Since: Jun 17, 2009
Posted on: February 21, 2012 2:27 pm
 

RG3 probably won't throw at combine, wants 4.4 40

Name me a good Big 12 quarterback, Vince Young is the best it produced. Its a conference of the worst defenses in the country and high flying offenses. Nobody even heard of RG3 4 months ago and now he's better than Andrew Luck.

This was projected by nearly every expert at some point last year for Cam Newton.

At least Cam played in the SEC not the mickey mouse Big 12 where I can throw on the pathetic defenses in that conference. Jay Cutler wasn't spectacular or Eli Manning but they played against NFL defenses. I have serious concerns with this guy throwing on NFL Defenses. Also I am not like everyone else and ready to put Cam Newton in the hall of fame.





Since: Aug 30, 2007
Posted on: February 21, 2012 1:49 pm
 

RG3 probably won't throw at combine, wants 4.4 40

This guy is going to be a HUGE BUST!
This was projected by nearly every expert at some point last year for Cam Newton. He did pretty well. I never thought Cam had the arm and touch he showed last year based on watching him in college. It is impossible anymore to judge these guys past a 50/50% basis. I saw RG3 play maybe 4 times last year. Very accurate and made good decisions, never saw anything impressive downfield or any spectacular runs. Doesn't mean he won't be the total opposite in the pros.


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