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Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

Posted on: February 28, 2012 2:16 pm
Edited on: February 28, 2012 5:35 pm
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By Will Brinson

We already know that St. Louis "will" trade out of the No. 2 spot in April's NFL Draft. Even before reports of that, there was little debate about the Rams pulling in a haul for Robert Griffin III. That's because, as Clark Judge wrote recently, the Rams are sitting on a "gold mine."

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But we haven't heard any specific potential trade options for RG3. Until Tuesday, when we heard a report about what the Redskins are willing to offer in exchange for the second-overall pick. According to Mike Jones of the Washington Post, Dan Snyder's team is willing to part with two No. 1 picks "plus other selections in the middle to early rounds" in exchange for the rights to RG3.

Presumably, the Redskins would use their No.1 pick in 2012's draft (sixth overall) and package it with their No. 1 pick in 2012 (currently undetermined) and try to create a package similar to what the Giants used in 2004 when they acquired Eli Manning from the Chargers. At that time, the Giants gave up two No. 1 picks (one of which was Philip Rivers) plus a third- and fourth-round pick in that draft in exchange for Manning.

Two things on this. One (and this is something I never thought I'd say), RG3 would be a perfect fit with Mike Shanahan's offense. According to Pro Football Focus, Rex Grossman threw downfield (20 times or more) the 12th-most number of times of any quarterback in the NFL last year. He did that without starting every single game and he did it without being accurate. Rolling out of the pocket and keeping his eyes downfield before throwing a laser is what RG3 does best. It would be fun to watch and he would be quite successful.

But then there's point No. 2: I'm not sure that two first-round picks is enough to land Griffin. If the Redskins are getting their initial salvo out there publicly this soon, it's entirely possible that someone else is willing to package an additional first-round pick in order to land the coveted Baylor prospect.

However, the timing of this should be clear: the Redskins would like to get something locked down before free agency. Though they wouldn't be technically allowed to make a deal until the draft approached, the Redskins and Rams could have a handshake agreement on a deal prior to that. And Washington and Mike Shanahan can't go into 2012 without a quarterback.

If they get to free agency and don't have a sense that they can get Griffin on draft day, they absolutely need to pursue someone in free agency that can improve their play at quarterback immediately, whether that's someone like Peyton Manning, Matt Flynn or just Kyle Orton.

The question then becomes whether or not Washington's potential offer of four very good picks qualifies as enough for Jeff Fisher and Les Snead to take Griffin off the trading block and come to an agreement on the terms of a draft-day trade prior to the start of free agency. That's risky as the value of the No. 2 pick could continue to skyrocket as the draft approaches.

But if teams fill their quarterback issues via free agency, it's also possible that the value of the pick could drop or remain stagnant. By striking early, it's possible the Rams could get the best-possible deal well in advance of the draft, and really begin planning out how to fill their roster with high-end talent.

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Since: Mar 7, 2012
Posted on: March 7, 2012 1:34 am

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

Griffin is Andre Ware with bad teeth and bad hair.  Epic failure coming and it couldn't happen to a better team than the Deadskins.

Since: Dec 26, 2011
Posted on: March 6, 2012 10:01 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

The Redskins need to build an offensive line in support of some talented running backs remembering the past days of the "hogs" when the Redskins were in their prime.  Their kneejerk reactions in going after talented free agents simply hasn't been successful because they do not build a structure for success.  A porous offensive line which does not protect the quarterback or is ineffective blocking will make inept a talented quarterback or running back.  Don't continue to sacrifice for the future with poor choices today.  Griffin III will come way too expensive and will not be successful with the limited talent around him offensively.

Since: Aug 2, 2009
Posted on: March 3, 2012 9:32 am

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

I repeat: "The Redskins are making a huge misstake in going after Manning or Griffin."  They need to stay the line and keep drafting young talent.  Over history it is a proven formula, i.e., the Steelers, for winning consistently.  Washington needs to build solid support for their QB.  In the recent past all 1st year quarterbacks that did well had good supporting players around them...interesting note:  Ryan Tannehill played RGIII twice and his team won convincingly both times in 2010 and 2011.  Think I'm wrong about who they should draft...hey Dan and Bruce, my track record is awesome check my blogs.  I'm for hire.  Live well and safe journey.

Since: Feb 14, 2008
Posted on: March 2, 2012 10:00 am

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

I think the Skins are trying to get a deal done before Free Agency because of the simple fact that they are going to go after one of the top FA WRs. Vincent Jackson or Reggie Wayne. Knowing youare going to take RGIII tells you how much money you have to go after that top WR considering the contracts for the rookies are pretty much set. Just my opinionn but that would be my guess on trying to get a "hand shake" deal before FA.

Since: Mar 2, 2012
Posted on: March 2, 2012 2:27 am

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

"I think only Oakland or Washington would be dumb enough to do it"  The Cbs blogs are not very user friendly...for my previous post

Since: Mar 2, 2012
Posted on: March 2, 2012 2:22 am

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

Are you new to watching football?  Just curious.  Washington has actually been on the giving end of some of the worst draft tades past the George Allen era. While they may be complete morons in drafting old free agents they have not made many boneheaded trades expect when they were already out of picks and had to fill a need. Saying Washington is dumb in this regard makes me thing you need to make a point and you are grasping for examples.

Since: Mar 1, 2012
Posted on: March 1, 2012 4:23 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

Once Free Agency opens, some of the more QB-needy teams will grab free agents. That brings the number of teams that are interested in RG3 down from maybe 4 to 2. Knowing that, the Rams are trying to trade #2 now while 4 or more teams still have that need before free agency opens. After teams have signed the free agent QB's the number of teams willing to give up enough to get RG3 will be whittled down to 1 or 2 teams. However, the number of teams Willing/ABLE to trade up to #2 for what the Rams are asking may be 0 at that time. If that's the case, then the Browns don't need to do anything to get RG3 at #4. The Rams will have wasted a golden opportunity. So, the Rams are deperate to get a deal done before free agency.

I don't buy the fact that teams don't want to wait for free agency. It makes a lot more sense to get a starting vet QB for cash than to spend multiple top draft picks AND cash on an unproven rookie. The Ram's potential trade partners want to wait until afterwards to see if they can get Flynn or if they want/can afford to take a chance on Peyton. A lot of this hinges on Peyton's health. If word gets out that he's not going to be at least 85% (physically) of what he was, then there's going to be a lot more interest in making a deal with the Rams ASAP. If Peyton starts to show off a strong arm in workouts then the Rams will either have to lower their current price tag to get a deal done before free agency or wait it out until draft day.

In the end, I think the Rams end up waiting until draft day because potential partners will wait it out and that's when there's the most enthusiam for making deals like this.

Since: Mar 1, 2012
Posted on: March 1, 2012 1:45 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

That's a great idea! They could get their next QB in the 2nd round (Tannehill?) and let him learn under Peyton for 3-4 years like Rogers did, or Steve McNair years ago, or lots of others. They could truly upgrade their team with all the picks and with Peyton at the helm, be right back in the playoff picture again. The again, if they traded with Cleveland and got their picks in the 1st round, they could grab RGIII or Luck (whoever is left) with the 4th pick and then they are really all set! I would do that in a minute!

Since: Sep 18, 2006
Posted on: March 1, 2012 11:03 am

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

IF your Indy. Why dont you make your pick available for the same package. If you believe Peyton will be back.

Since: Feb 29, 2012
Posted on: March 1, 2012 5:43 am
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