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Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

Posted on: February 28, 2012 2:16 pm
Edited on: February 28, 2012 5:35 pm
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By Will Brinson

We already know that St. Louis "will" trade out of the No. 2 spot in April's NFL Draft. Even before reports of that, there was little debate about the Rams pulling in a haul for Robert Griffin III. That's because, as Clark Judge wrote recently, the Rams are sitting on a "gold mine."

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But we haven't heard any specific potential trade options for RG3. Until Tuesday, when we heard a report about what the Redskins are willing to offer in exchange for the second-overall pick. According to Mike Jones of the Washington Post, Dan Snyder's team is willing to part with two No. 1 picks "plus other selections in the middle to early rounds" in exchange for the rights to RG3.

Presumably, the Redskins would use their No.1 pick in 2012's draft (sixth overall) and package it with their No. 1 pick in 2012 (currently undetermined) and try to create a package similar to what the Giants used in 2004 when they acquired Eli Manning from the Chargers. At that time, the Giants gave up two No. 1 picks (one of which was Philip Rivers) plus a third- and fourth-round pick in that draft in exchange for Manning.

Two things on this. One (and this is something I never thought I'd say), RG3 would be a perfect fit with Mike Shanahan's offense. According to Pro Football Focus, Rex Grossman threw downfield (20 times or more) the 12th-most number of times of any quarterback in the NFL last year. He did that without starting every single game and he did it without being accurate. Rolling out of the pocket and keeping his eyes downfield before throwing a laser is what RG3 does best. It would be fun to watch and he would be quite successful.

But then there's point No. 2: I'm not sure that two first-round picks is enough to land Griffin. If the Redskins are getting their initial salvo out there publicly this soon, it's entirely possible that someone else is willing to package an additional first-round pick in order to land the coveted Baylor prospect.

However, the timing of this should be clear: the Redskins would like to get something locked down before free agency. Though they wouldn't be technically allowed to make a deal until the draft approached, the Redskins and Rams could have a handshake agreement on a deal prior to that. And Washington and Mike Shanahan can't go into 2012 without a quarterback.

If they get to free agency and don't have a sense that they can get Griffin on draft day, they absolutely need to pursue someone in free agency that can improve their play at quarterback immediately, whether that's someone like Peyton Manning, Matt Flynn or just Kyle Orton.

The question then becomes whether or not Washington's potential offer of four very good picks qualifies as enough for Jeff Fisher and Les Snead to take Griffin off the trading block and come to an agreement on the terms of a draft-day trade prior to the start of free agency. That's risky as the value of the No. 2 pick could continue to skyrocket as the draft approaches.

But if teams fill their quarterback issues via free agency, it's also possible that the value of the pick could drop or remain stagnant. By striking early, it's possible the Rams could get the best-possible deal well in advance of the draft, and really begin planning out how to fill their roster with high-end talent.

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Since: Jan 25, 2012
Posted on: February 28, 2012 6:53 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

RG3's value is so high because it is a quarterback league. He will probably end up costing more than 2 first rounds, and a smattering of middle round picks due to the way the game has evolved. The margin for error at the pro's is so slim, that a franchise quarterback (as opposed to a functional QB like Grossman) can be the difference between 6 -10 to 10- 6.

If I were the Rams, I would bet the price of the pick will continue to skyrocket. Payton Manning is going to take some team out of the bidding, but if you're betting on Matt Flynn---well let's say I don't think the QB pool is that deep in free agency.

Since: Nov 3, 2010
Posted on: February 28, 2012 6:49 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

Boy, St. Louis is doing this the right way; airing their laundry early and holding a busted flush.  The sucker?  Dan Snyder.  He'll give up the Skins two #1's, lear jets, and several of the Caribbean islands, just to say, 'I got what I wanted'.  The Rams become instant winners because they'll upgrade at OL and WR.  Jeff Fisher has to be thinking he's the Eric Spoelstra of the NFL. 

Since: Dec 4, 2011
Posted on: February 28, 2012 6:38 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

Wow, talk about a QB hungry organization! Grossman must feel "flattered" to hear the news.

Since: Apr 25, 2010
Posted on: February 28, 2012 6:34 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

Just a side note Banner you and Crankees should get to together and talk about something you know because football isn't it. Thank you have a nice day.

Since: Apr 25, 2010
Posted on: February 28, 2012 6:30 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

Hey Crankees I'm pretty sure Sanchez has accomplished his feats due to his defense, but Flacco can actually play QB unlike Sanchez. Did you know Flacco has been in the playoffs every year since his rookie season. Oh but wait you say "due to his defense." Wrong, not due to his aging defense retard, it is due to Flacco managing the game correctly. I bet you Flacco will take a step further next year, when OC Cameron pulls his head out of his butt and coaches this offense to there strengths.

Now to the topic at hand, Rams will probably deal the number 2, heck a rams exec already confimed it. Because even if they only get two number 1's they still will have a shot at two high valued Offensive Lineman and they can still draft a good tall wide receiver later in the draft like say Tommy Streeter or Jeff Fuller. Both of which proved that they can be go to guys in offenses in college. Also, they both fit Jeff Fisher's system of having a Tall possession Wide Receiver. And honestly there is no problem with Sam Bradford. All he needs is the west coast system and a tall WR and a solid OL and the guy is good to go.

Since: Jan 19, 2008
Posted on: February 28, 2012 6:13 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

So what have Flacco and Sanchez done lately? They both benefitted from top-notch defenses that masked their inadequecies.  Ryan's OK but he's had minimal impact in the palyoffs thus far.

Flacco and Sanchez have taken a step back and I don't think they will get much better from here.

Since: Jul 9, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2012 6:11 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

Presumably, the Redskins would use their No.1 pick in 2012's draft (sixth overall) and package it with their No. 1 pick in 2012 (currently undetermined)
Mr. Brinson, that makes no sense.  (As was already pointed out by another poster well before the article was last edited at 5:35 p.m.)

Should the second reference be to an undetermined 2013 first-round pick?  Or are you saying that the Skins will somehow acquire a second 2012 first-round pick?  And what will that cost them?

Since: Oct 30, 2007
Posted on: February 28, 2012 6:03 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

I have another 3:

Matt Ryan (NFC Wildcard berth 2008, rookie)
Joe Flacco (AFC Wildcard berth 2008, rookie)
Mark Sanchez (AFC Wildcard berth, 2009, rookie)

Since: Oct 9, 2007
Posted on: February 28, 2012 5:30 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

Can anyone name me a QB coming out of college that did not have a rough time the first year starting directly out of college; and led his team to the playoffs.  No one in recent history.
Hey Banner!  I can name two:

Ben Roethlisberger (Division Champion 2004, his rookie season)
Andy Dalton (AFC Wildcard berth 2011, his rookie season)

You do bring up valid points in that the supporting cast in Washington needs work too.  So, that could limit the impact RGIII might have.  However, if he's as accurate as advertised, it dovetails into how the current game is played quite well.  Additionally, Shanahan loves a QB with mobility.

Since: Feb 24, 2007
Posted on: February 28, 2012 5:25 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

I would not give that many picks for anyone, but you would be surprised at how many fans on the Redskins board are eccstatic to do it if they get the chance. The same fans who blast the tem every time it goes after the next shiney new penny aer now salivating over giving up 4 or 5 picks for this guy that hasn't thrown a pass. Not me.

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