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Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

Posted on: February 28, 2012 2:16 pm
Edited on: February 28, 2012 5:35 pm
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By Will Brinson

We already know that St. Louis "will" trade out of the No. 2 spot in April's NFL Draft. Even before reports of that, there was little debate about the Rams pulling in a haul for Robert Griffin III. That's because, as Clark Judge wrote recently, the Rams are sitting on a "gold mine."

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But we haven't heard any specific potential trade options for RG3. Until Tuesday, when we heard a report about what the Redskins are willing to offer in exchange for the second-overall pick. According to Mike Jones of the Washington Post, Dan Snyder's team is willing to part with two No. 1 picks "plus other selections in the middle to early rounds" in exchange for the rights to RG3.

Presumably, the Redskins would use their No.1 pick in 2012's draft (sixth overall) and package it with their No. 1 pick in 2012 (currently undetermined) and try to create a package similar to what the Giants used in 2004 when they acquired Eli Manning from the Chargers. At that time, the Giants gave up two No. 1 picks (one of which was Philip Rivers) plus a third- and fourth-round pick in that draft in exchange for Manning.

Two things on this. One (and this is something I never thought I'd say), RG3 would be a perfect fit with Mike Shanahan's offense. According to Pro Football Focus, Rex Grossman threw downfield (20 times or more) the 12th-most number of times of any quarterback in the NFL last year. He did that without starting every single game and he did it without being accurate. Rolling out of the pocket and keeping his eyes downfield before throwing a laser is what RG3 does best. It would be fun to watch and he would be quite successful.

But then there's point No. 2: I'm not sure that two first-round picks is enough to land Griffin. If the Redskins are getting their initial salvo out there publicly this soon, it's entirely possible that someone else is willing to package an additional first-round pick in order to land the coveted Baylor prospect.

However, the timing of this should be clear: the Redskins would like to get something locked down before free agency. Though they wouldn't be technically allowed to make a deal until the draft approached, the Redskins and Rams could have a handshake agreement on a deal prior to that. And Washington and Mike Shanahan can't go into 2012 without a quarterback.

If they get to free agency and don't have a sense that they can get Griffin on draft day, they absolutely need to pursue someone in free agency that can improve their play at quarterback immediately, whether that's someone like Peyton Manning, Matt Flynn or just Kyle Orton.

The question then becomes whether or not Washington's potential offer of four very good picks qualifies as enough for Jeff Fisher and Les Snead to take Griffin off the trading block and come to an agreement on the terms of a draft-day trade prior to the start of free agency. That's risky as the value of the No. 2 pick could continue to skyrocket as the draft approaches.

But if teams fill their quarterback issues via free agency, it's also possible that the value of the pick could drop or remain stagnant. By striking early, it's possible the Rams could get the best-possible deal well in advance of the draft, and really begin planning out how to fill their roster with high-end talent.

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Since: Nov 19, 2006
Posted on: February 28, 2012 5:21 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

Here's a different thought.........If I'm the Rams I consider dealing Sam Bradford for a decent package and hold onto my draft pick and take either RG3 or Luck to build around. It's not like Bradford has shown he's good enough to be worth more than either of the rookies at this point aside from having NFL experience. I'm not sure what the Rams could get for Bradford but it's worth a look I'd say?......IMO

Since: Apr 21, 2011
Posted on: February 28, 2012 5:21 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

BannerCa: John Elway refused to play for the worst owner in the NFL of the time, the notorious Robert Irsay, not because of the community. Bradford, an immobile QB played crummy, as you say, behind a poor OL. What suggests that Bradford will play better without a dominant OL to protect him? Nothing. He's a good pocket passer but a tempting target behind a weak OL. Of course the Rams claim they want to retain Bradford as saying otherwise might reduce the offers they receive for the #2 overall pick. But don't expect the Rams to be be panicked into trading the selection when at worst they can select RGIII and trade Bradford.

Since: Jan 6, 2012
Posted on: February 28, 2012 5:04 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

If so, this would be typical Snyder insanity, the man who turned a proud franchise in a laughing stock on par with Al Davis and Jerry Jones.

Since: Jan 29, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2012 4:58 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

Initial rumor out of Cleveland is their starting offer to move up to the Rams pick is the 4th pick, 37th pick (2nd rd), 2013 2nd rd pick, and this years 4th rd pick.  So the Browns are trying to salvage the 22nd overall pick in the first round by throwing 2 2nd round picks and a mid round pick as well.  I don't think the Rams will be happy with that and it will at least take two 1st rounders.

Since: Oct 2, 2006
Posted on: February 28, 2012 4:53 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

3, 1st round picks and then some.  Some team is gonna pay to get the rights of RG3 I don't know which team it will be, but there is no way the RAMS don't get a sweet deal out of this.

3, 1st round picks over the next 3 years sounds like a good deal to me for a team desparate for a quality QB.

Let the Bidding begin

1st round pick bid, now, and will ya give me, will ya give me will ya give a 1st rond pick  

1st round pick bid now 2, now 2, will ya give me 2 1st round picks will ya give me, will ya give me will ya give me 2 1st round picks

2 1st round picks bid, now 3, now 3 will ya give me 3 1st round picks will ya give me, will ya give me will ya give me 3 1st round picks.

Going once, Going twice, Going 3 times,  Last and final call

Sold to???????????????????

Since: Dec 19, 2007
Posted on: February 28, 2012 4:52 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

This is already getting crazier then when Elway was picked and he refused to go to Baltimore - The Colts! Can anyone name me a QB coming out of college that did not have a rough time the first year starting directly out of college; and led his team to the playoffs.  No one in recent history.

So the Redskins are willing to give up the Farm to probably wind up missing the playoffs once again.  I don't think that Redskin fans will be able to handle the disappointment.  Dan snyder won't be too happy either.  They sell out regardless of their record.

Let's look at RG3 vs Michael Vick.  Similar types of players, although RG3 is supposedly a more accurate passer.  Their 40 times about the same - Vick a little shorter.  Vick was great in Atlanta - a dome stadium where he played 8 games a year plus three more in N.O. (dome), Tampa and Carolina. and those 8 games were on turf where a sub 4.40 time really counts for something.

No we have RG3 possibly going to the Redskins - first they play in the NFC East where defense rules and QBs need to take lots of hits.  Second it gets cold in December and January - very cold - that makes it more difficult to pass.  And by the way when the Redskins give up all those picks who is RG3 going to throw to?

This is pretty much the same story for Cleveland where the Ravens and Steelers lie in wait.  I don't see RG3 flurishing in the NFL in cold weather cities unless they have a dome.

Which leads me to another issue - if RG3 was a sure bet why wouldn't the Rams - who do play in a dome on turf and hve 3 other games in AZ, SF, Seattle - trade Bradford and get a 1st plus a 2nd from someone this year and maybe a 3rd next year.

Because the RAMS think Bradford is better at this stage of his career - even after a crummy season.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2012 4:37 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

It's  RG3 is causing this much of a stir without even going through his pro day and having scouts watch him throw.  I get Griffin is an amazing athlete with great speed and a big arm but it's early to be asking for 4 draft picks to move up a few spots.  The Browns would only need to move up 2 spots and the Redskins 4 spots so asking for more than 2 first round picks and then maybe a 4th or 5th seems very high

I'm not surprised one bit at what it's going to take to land RG3, there are 2 good reasons why teams will give up a ton for a pick like that.  First of all the NFL now has a rookie cap now so a lot more teams ( maybe even everybody) can financially afford the number 2 overall pick.  I think Cam Newton's cap hit barely averages out to 5 million per season so RG3's hit isn't going to exceed that number. The second reason is there's and almost always has been a desperate need for good starting quarterbacks in the NFL. It's called supply and demand, there are way too many teams with anything from garbage to mediocre at that position.  

How far up somebody is trading isn't going to be nearly as much of a factor as it normally would be.  This is a very special year for qb's in the NFL draft with Luck and RG3 at the top so teams are going to bid against each other like we haven't seen in years.  

Since: Aug 20, 2007
Posted on: February 28, 2012 4:20 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

Hey Tom, perhaps a CBS message board isnt the best place to make that offer.  You might want to give them a call. just sayin.

Since: Sep 25, 2009
Posted on: February 28, 2012 3:59 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

That's already a lot, there is no way a team should be trading 3 first rounders for him.

Since: Dec 22, 2006
Posted on: February 28, 2012 3:28 pm

Report: Skins willing to deal 1sts, more for RG3

Hey Rams, this is Tom Heckert of the Browns here. You can have our two first round picks (#4 and #22) and our second fourth round pick (#118) for RG3. That's our one-time and final offer.  

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