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For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Posted on: March 4, 2012 11:49 am
At this point, it's unclear who will draft RG3. (Getty Images)
By Josh Katzowitz

Coming off his standout performance at the scouting combine last month, the stock for Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III might not ever be higher than it is right now. And thus, it makes sense that the Rams would like to trade their No. 2 draft pick as soon as possible in order to get the biggest booty in exchange for the rights to select Griffin in April.

Once free agency begins on March 13 and a number of quarterbacks like Kyle Orton, Matt Flynn, Jason Campbell and Chad Henne hit the open market, the desire to trade a trove of draft picks to the Rams for RG3 might decrease significantly.

Who wants RG3
But even before free agency begins, the St. Louis Post Dispatch reports, the Rams haven’t found a huge seller’s market.

According to the paper, the Browns, who already hold the No. 4 overall pick and obviously would have to give that up to move up to No. 2, aren’t willing to part with their second first-round pick this year (at No. 22). The idea of St. Louis not getting -- at the absolute bare minimum -- two first-round picks to give up their No. 2 selection is ridiculous, and if Cleveland sticks to that plan, perhaps the organization feels better about current quarterback Colt McCoy than many people might have guessed.

Adding to the Rams woes, the Redskins apparently are willing to part with their No. 6 pick this year and their first-round pick in 2013 but don’t want to give up their second-round pick this year. As the paper writes, that simply isn’t acceptable to the Rams.

The Post Dispatch also writes that trades won’t be worked out with eiter the Dolphins (the No. 8 pick) because Miami doesn’t want to deal with the coach in Jeff Fisher who spurned them for a job or the Seahawks (No. 12) because St. Louis doesn’t want to have to face RG3 twice a year for the foreseeable future.

What’s interesting about this scenario is if the Browns feel they can gamble and not trade for the No. 2 pick and still hope RG3 falls to them at No. 4, especially with the Vikings probably not looking at RG3 with Christian Ponder, a first-round pick last year, as the starting quarterback.

But as always, you have to take with a grain of salt any trade reports that occur before the NFL draft. At this point, it’s still a poker game with plenty of bluffing from all sides.

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Since: Sep 26, 2010
Posted on: March 5, 2012 5:16 pm

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Settle down - its only a game!

My point in QBs not having weapons is directed at rookie QBs.  There are few examples that refute my point that I can think of - I'm sure there will be a few people willing to correct me!  Cam Newton at Cleveland - I'd be happy to say he'd have struggled.  Steve Smith did benefit - there is a natural rapport - but don't tell me you predicted it!

Great QBs do make GREAT WRs - but crap WRs are next to useless and make it hard to judge a QB.  Did Bradford go THAT far backwards that the Rams may take RG3 themselves?  Doubt it, but they need a playmaker.  Stafford has been very good, but Hill and Stanton have been able to step in and do a fair job too when needed.  They are not starters for sure.  My point there is simple - Stafford had a chance to grow into the role and has.  It has also given the back office time to get him a defence.  And they have been doing that.

Build, build and build.  There are no sure-fire short-cuts.  Carolina may know that too - lets watch them in the draft.

Since: May 18, 2011
Posted on: March 5, 2012 5:12 pm

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

There is no doubt QB's make Wr's but it also makes a huge deal having good WR's.  Calvin Johnson would boost any QB's totals.  That being said put Brady in Cleveland or Jax and see how well he does.  20-24 Tds would be the absolute max for Brady with 15 plus Ints. Football is the absolute team game and one guy NEVER does everything himself.  Brees has an incredible offensive line with a great target in Graham.  Brees will start to fade the next few years due to losing Nicks and Colston.  He just like every QB struggles under pressure.  A. Smith is average at best and he took his team to the NFC playoff game. It was his great supporting cast.

Since: Mar 3, 2009
Posted on: March 5, 2012 12:39 pm

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

how about if the steelers give their number 1 pick and rapistberger for the rams number 1 pick, remember now, rapistberger got married so chances are well slim to none that he rapes again, ok, maybe a little higher!!!!!!

Since: May 31, 2007
Posted on: March 5, 2012 12:33 pm

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

There is no chance of Griffin falling to #4.  The need for QB's around the league is just too high.  These kinds of trades never happen until the actual day of the draft... usually until the team is actually on the clock... so it's really a non-issue right now.  But the Rams know full well that they can get a good deal for him, before or after using the pick.  Sooner or later, someone is going to pony up for the guy... it only takes one team to be sold on him.  And even if they did just pick some other player (they won't), he'd never make it past #3.  The Vikings would trade out of that spot for multiple picks (or even take him if they're having second thoughts on Ponder).

Ultimately though, the Rams will move the pick... probably shortly after the Colts make their official selection.  Either to Washington, Cleveland, Miami (if they're not as petty as the Post Dispatch guy seems to think), or to some surprise team (Kansas City?  Buffalo? Denver?  Dallas?  Probably not to a division rival, but you can never be quite sure).

Since: Dec 1, 2009
Posted on: March 5, 2012 12:28 pm

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

 "The idea of St. Louis not getting -- at the absolute bare minimum -- two first-round picks to give up their No. 2 selection is ridiculous, and if Cleveland sticks to that plan, perhaps the organization feels better about current quarterback than many people might have guessed."

Nah, it's just that the Browns front office are still doing their level best to break the hearts of their fans yet again.

Since: Oct 23, 2011
Posted on: March 5, 2012 12:12 pm

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

I am just throwing this one out there.... could it be possible that St. Louis does not get an offer as they see as value prior to the draft. Therefore they stay at #2 and draft RG3. Cleveland has to be thinking OK if St. Louis has not traded the pick then it means RG3 will be available to us at #4. 

Instead St. Louis drafts RG3 (ala San Diego Chargers with Eli Manning) and hold RG3 for the ransom they so desire. Would this make Cleveland react and then give up pick #22?

I have to laugh that Miami would not make the deal due to Jeff Fisher spurning them..... come on there is no crying in Footabll!

Now if we play along that St. Louis passes at #2 on RG3 they take Blackmon. Does Minnesota make the deal with Washington of 2 first round picks and a 3rd round pick..... 

I say a surprise team will make its presence known Jaguars, Chiefs or Cardinals for RG3.


Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: March 5, 2012 9:54 am

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Cam Newton had an extraordinary first year.  He did have a rejuvenated Steve Smith to pass to, that helps.  Not sure who RG3 would be passing to in Cleveland that would compare.  Carolina also has a strong ground game.  Again Cleveland did not have that last season.  I'm in the camp that says get some weapons and then get a QB instead of selling your future for a "hope".  Bradford has no-one to pass to.  McCoy has no-one to pass to.  Gabbert has no-one to pass to.  Luck in Indy has a few.  Dalton got AJ Green.  Heck, Stafford got Megatron (what would Stafford be if there were no Calvin Johnson on the roster?).  If RG3 fell to them at 4, go ahead, but don't lose 2 or 3 big picks for it.

That's an extremely weak argument to say the least.   Actually it's so weak I don't even know where to start responding to it.  To take almost all the blame off bad qb's just because they don't have a star wide receiver and to take almost all the credit away from a qb that has a great season just because they have a great receiver to throw to is flat out stupid.  Actually it's mind numbing stupid, it's ridiculous beyond belief and proves you know very little if anything about football.   What you're saying is the only time a qb deserves credit is if they put big numbers up with a bad team, and on the other side of the coin the only time a qb deserves to be slammed is if he didn't do well with a great team.  That's so ridiculous I can't believe I'm even responding to your post.

First of all you say Steve Smith was a big reason for Cam Newton's success, but you forgot to do a little research.  Steve Smith had the second best season of his career in YPC and 3rd in receiving yards in a long career, I'm pretty sure that he benefited from Cam Newton in a big way, not just the other way around.  You say Carolina's running game was good and benefited Newton, but on the other hand don't mention how the Lions terrible running game should have killed Stafford.  Teams didn't even have to worry about the threat of a running game against Detroit. Everybody knew Stafford was going to throw the ball but they couldn't stop him.   Calvin or no Calvin, it's tough to throw a ball when NFL defensive coordinators know you can't run.  By the way, Calvin Johnson had by far the best season in his NFL career last year, and it was the first time he caught balls from a healthy Stafford for a full season.  Once again the qb had a lot to do with the receivers success and again, not just the other way around.

Great qb's make wide receivers better,,, that's a fact, end of story.  Brady isn't great because of Welker, Welker is great because of Brady. Victor Cruz wasn't great because of Victor Cruz, he had a great year because Eli Manning the year of his life in his career, the best he's done by far.  And using your argument let me ask you something.  Why did Skelton in Arizona suck so badly with Larry Fitzgerald to throw to?  

Somebody is going to trade at least 2 or 3 high picks for RG3, it's automatic... once again, not an opinion and just a fact.  

A team can have all the wide recievers it wants to have but without a qb that can read a defense and throw a football in the right places with accuracy nothing good happens.  Wide receivers are a dime a dozen in the NFL, quarterbacks aren't.  


Since: May 17, 2011
Posted on: March 5, 2012 9:31 am

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Why trade down? Whats really better than having a #4 and #22 when you need talent? Browns will screw this up but they should pick up Blackmon and then best player available and start fixing their loser roster.

Since: Mar 4, 2012
Posted on: March 5, 2012 9:19 am

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

What Cleveland needs to do if it doesn't trade up for RG3:

1. Sign a veteran starter at QB 
2. Be aggressive and add veteran starters via free agency (OG, WR, DE, OLB, CB)
3. Trade down from the #4 pick to teams looking for Blackmon/Claiborne 
4. Be smart with the #22 pick: be open to trade offers OR draft for long-term value and don't reach for "need" players 

Since: Nov 10, 2010
Posted on: March 5, 2012 7:31 am

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

The Browns have secretly been working out Tim Couch, Akili Smith and Ryan Leaf.
All a poised for a big comeback.
The current plan in Cleveland is to trade down from the #4 and #22 spot and to get a boatload of 4th, 5th & 6th round picks to strengthen the lower half of their roster.   

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