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For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Posted on: March 4, 2012 11:49 am
At this point, it's unclear who will draft RG3. (Getty Images)
By Josh Katzowitz

Coming off his standout performance at the scouting combine last month, the stock for Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III might not ever be higher than it is right now. And thus, it makes sense that the Rams would like to trade their No. 2 draft pick as soon as possible in order to get the biggest booty in exchange for the rights to select Griffin in April.

Once free agency begins on March 13 and a number of quarterbacks like Kyle Orton, Matt Flynn, Jason Campbell and Chad Henne hit the open market, the desire to trade a trove of draft picks to the Rams for RG3 might decrease significantly.

Who wants RG3
But even before free agency begins, the St. Louis Post Dispatch reports, the Rams haven’t found a huge seller’s market.

According to the paper, the Browns, who already hold the No. 4 overall pick and obviously would have to give that up to move up to No. 2, aren’t willing to part with their second first-round pick this year (at No. 22). The idea of St. Louis not getting -- at the absolute bare minimum -- two first-round picks to give up their No. 2 selection is ridiculous, and if Cleveland sticks to that plan, perhaps the organization feels better about current quarterback Colt McCoy than many people might have guessed.

Adding to the Rams woes, the Redskins apparently are willing to part with their No. 6 pick this year and their first-round pick in 2013 but don’t want to give up their second-round pick this year. As the paper writes, that simply isn’t acceptable to the Rams.

The Post Dispatch also writes that trades won’t be worked out with eiter the Dolphins (the No. 8 pick) because Miami doesn’t want to deal with the coach in Jeff Fisher who spurned them for a job or the Seahawks (No. 12) because St. Louis doesn’t want to have to face RG3 twice a year for the foreseeable future.

What’s interesting about this scenario is if the Browns feel they can gamble and not trade for the No. 2 pick and still hope RG3 falls to them at No. 4, especially with the Vikings probably not looking at RG3 with Christian Ponder, a first-round pick last year, as the starting quarterback.

But as always, you have to take with a grain of salt any trade reports that occur before the NFL draft. At this point, it’s still a poker game with plenty of bluffing from all sides.

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Since: Mar 6, 2011
Posted on: March 5, 2012 6:36 am

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Browns havent given up hope with McCoy....nor should they. A rookie with a crap line cant be judged because he wasnt cam newton. Newton was a big surprise....and a bit of a rarity. It took a lot of great QBs a couple seasons (including Peyton). Keep the 4...take Claiborne or Richardson and keep building. The Skins need a QB...but not at that price. Campbell is a nice pick up if they want him.....not with RG3s upside for sure.....but there are guarentees with QBs. Griffin is short, and might present durability problems....who knows. Atl went all in on Julio Jones...which i think was a mistake. Picks are how you build dont build by giving them away.

Since: Feb 28, 2010
Posted on: March 5, 2012 6:01 am

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

The Browns should stay right where they are at.  RG3 could drop to them, or grab someone in free-agency (Flynn/Henne) before the draft and use the picks on Richardson at 4 and one of these good D-linemen at 22.

Since: Sep 26, 2010
Posted on: March 5, 2012 4:48 am

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Cam Newton had an extraordinary first year.  He did have a rejuvenated Steve Smith to pass to, that helps.  Not sure who RG3 would be passing to in Cleveland that would compare.  Carolina also has a strong ground game.  Again Cleveland did not have that last season.  I'm in the camp that says get some weapons and then get a QB instead of selling your future for a "hope".  Bradford has no-one to pass to.  McCoy has no-one to pass to.  Gabbert has no-one to pass to.  Luck in Indy has a few.  Dalton got AJ Green.  Heck, Stafford got Megatron (what would Stafford be if there were no Calvin Johnson on the roster?).  If RG3 fell to them at 4, go ahead, but don't lose 2 or 3 big picks for it.

John Fox - won't win a superbowl.  If he is pinning a future on Tebow, he must have strong faith.  Alex Smith wont go anywhere - he has 2-3 more years in the Bay under Harbaugh.  Harbaugh showed him a faith no other coach had in years - he gave him the play-book before he was signed on.  And he gave him a game plan he could play.  Why would Alex Smith go anywhere when the one thing he has wanted, continuity, has finally presented itself.  Orton is a good QB, just apparently not a good game manager or team captain.  He'll stay at KC won't he?  Cassel is not great at all, so he has a shot.  KC also has injured guys returning when everyone thinks they'll stink - underdog status.

Since: Aug 7, 2008
Posted on: March 5, 2012 1:56 am

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Much has been said about how much Jim Harbaugh is like Bill Walsh. Their approach to the game, their evaluation of players and doing what they have to do to get the guy they want. Therefore, I would not be surprised if there is a big trade in place with the Rams if the Colts draft Robert Girffin. I keep hearing how the Rams are really high on Kyle Williams and how he would make their punt retun game so much more interesting. Just trade the bum for Andrew Luck....I can live with that. But it's going to be crowded when the 49ers sign Josh Johnson and also trade for Tim Tebow. You know what they say.....when it pours. Denver isn't going to trade Tebow to an AFC West team and John Elway wants a strong pocket passer like Alex Smith. Why hasn't this trade been made already? Alex Smith is so much better than Kyle Orton...and that's even if Smith is on the DL. Anyone drafting Luck or Griffin would have to waste a year. And you all know that you never ever throw a rookie QB in the fire in his first year unless you are about to lose your job, lose your fans or lose your team/franchise. Cam Newton played great last year...but as I have said countless times....his gimmick can be countered. He cannot read complex defenses. He lost when he had to make multiple reads.

Remember Michael Vick also had an explosive rookie year, but after that he didn't do much until he got busted for abusing animals. 
Running QBs do not succeed in the NFL. However, those who can scramble and know how to throw will flourish. I'm a big fan of Tim Tebow, but unless he ends up on a good team his career willl suck....after all he does play for the Denver Broncos who are coached by John Fox a defensive-minded coach. I wonder if Urban Meyer landed in the NFL...would he try to acquire Tebow. Meyer has gone on record as saying that he thinks Alex Smith can be a great QB. 

Anyway, I wish the draft picks were announced by NFL cheerleaders. Who's with me? 

Since: Oct 7, 2011
Posted on: March 5, 2012 1:32 am

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

The Browns should not trade up for RG3 and here is why, first they led the league in drops so throwing a rookie QB into that mess isnt a good idea when this draft is loaded with receivers and youd be trading all your picks.Matt Barkley & Landry Jones are both coming out next year and are both better than RG3/Tannehill, dont reach just cause Mel Kiper says too. Get Colt some talent to play with, resign Hillis, get Brandon Jackson/Eric Steinbach healthy and with these picks lock up a true #1 that was born with hands. The Browns can trade for RG3 and hope or draft multiple guys and fill more holes. Knowing how bad their receivers are Im truly blown away at all the QB talk and cant understand trading for a guy that doesnt even fit the West Coast offense they have been trying to install, starting over is getting old and Im sick of saying maybe next year. This draft can make or break them, historically they will make the wrong move but Im hoping they dont..GIVE COLT SOME REAL PLAYERS TO THROW TOO!!!!!!!!

Since: Sep 26, 2010
Posted on: March 5, 2012 1:30 am

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Why the hurry?  The draft isn't for a number of weeks.  Why would the Browns or Redskins show their hand just yet when the other could gazump them?

Next story, move along.

Since: Mar 30, 2009
Posted on: March 5, 2012 1:02 am

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

It is soft, and gonna get softer.  Teams are generally going to exercise some fiscal restraint after last off-season, and the Rams are going to watch a seller's market turn to buyer's market before much longer.  Unless the Rams are willing to draft RGIII and actually have a competition between him and Bradford, or unless they are willing to draft him and then hope they can trade one or the other, again in a buyer's market because they will be very desperate by that time, then the Rams will simply draft who they actually need, and let RGIII go.  Despite his Combine performance he is STILL unproven, and teams will be reluctant to give up a quantity of picks for him.  Quality over quantity is not a certain proposition.

Since: May 31, 2007
Posted on: March 5, 2012 12:23 am

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

trades won’t be worked out with eiter the (the No. 8 pick) because Miami doesn’t want to deal with the coach in Jeff Fisher who spurned them for a job
Does that strike anyone else as unbelievably petty (if it's even true)?

I mean, I get having your feelings hurt or whatever.  I even get not liking a guy.  But if you're running a professional sports franchise, and see a legitimate opportunity to improve your team, you have to suck it up and do your job.  If your ego and/or sour grapes are getting in the way of doing what's best for your team, you probably need to find a new profession.

Since: Dec 5, 2009
Posted on: March 5, 2012 12:01 am

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Playing devils advocate here. All the hype is on St. louis trading their #2 (RG3) pick in the draft. What if the Colts put Luck on the draft trading block? If Manning is rumored to be  traded then he must be able to play. If so, keep him in Indy, take your draft trade bounty for Luck to shore up other deficincies and wait for next years QB choices.  I know its a win now league but if Manning plays they win, if he doesnt play due to injury then they still win in 2013 draft. My thoughts, not yours. Cheers.

Since: Mar 4, 2012
Posted on: March 4, 2012 11:56 pm

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

What Cleveland needs to do if it doesn't trade up for RG3:

1. Sign a veteran starter at QB 
2. Be aggressive and add veteran starters via free agency (OG, WR, DE, OLB, CB)
3. Trade down from the #4 pick to teams looking for Blackmon/Claiborne 
4. Be smart with the #22 pick: be open to trade offers OR draft for long-term value and don't reach for "need" players 

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