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For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Posted on: March 4, 2012 11:49 am
 
At this point, it's unclear who will draft RG3. (Getty Images)
By Josh Katzowitz

Coming off his standout performance at the scouting combine last month, the stock for Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III might not ever be higher than it is right now. And thus, it makes sense that the Rams would like to trade their No. 2 draft pick as soon as possible in order to get the biggest booty in exchange for the rights to select Griffin in April.

Once free agency begins on March 13 and a number of quarterbacks like Kyle Orton, Matt Flynn, Jason Campbell and Chad Henne hit the open market, the desire to trade a trove of draft picks to the Rams for RG3 might decrease significantly.

Who wants RG3
But even before free agency begins, the St. Louis Post Dispatch reports, the Rams haven’t found a huge seller’s market.

According to the paper, the Browns, who already hold the No. 4 overall pick and obviously would have to give that up to move up to No. 2, aren’t willing to part with their second first-round pick this year (at No. 22). The idea of St. Louis not getting -- at the absolute bare minimum -- two first-round picks to give up their No. 2 selection is ridiculous, and if Cleveland sticks to that plan, perhaps the organization feels better about current quarterback Colt McCoy than many people might have guessed.

Adding to the Rams woes, the Redskins apparently are willing to part with their No. 6 pick this year and their first-round pick in 2013 but don’t want to give up their second-round pick this year. As the paper writes, that simply isn’t acceptable to the Rams.

The Post Dispatch also writes that trades won’t be worked out with eiter the Dolphins (the No. 8 pick) because Miami doesn’t want to deal with the coach in Jeff Fisher who spurned them for a job or the Seahawks (No. 12) because St. Louis doesn’t want to have to face RG3 twice a year for the foreseeable future.

What’s interesting about this scenario is if the Browns feel they can gamble and not trade for the No. 2 pick and still hope RG3 falls to them at No. 4, especially with the Vikings probably not looking at RG3 with Christian Ponder, a first-round pick last year, as the starting quarterback.

But as always, you have to take with a grain of salt any trade reports that occur before the NFL draft. At this point, it’s still a poker game with plenty of bluffing from all sides.

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Comments

Since: Dec 12, 2011
Posted on: March 4, 2012 11:54 pm
 

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Why give away your future when there are other capable QB's out there that could do just as good job. The Oakland Raiders and Hue Jackson are a good example of how desperation can cloud your thought process, trading Carson Palmer for potentially 2 1st round picks for now looks like a stupid deal. Why trade up to #2 you know St. Louis will not draft a QB, and if Cleveland gets him at #4 then take Tannehil, both Cleveland and Washington the 2 main players in this possible trade need to practice restraint and think about all the other positions that need to be filled on their team



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: March 4, 2012 11:52 pm
 

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

If somehow the Rams couldn't move the #2 pick and drafted a player other than RG3, the Vikings would probablly get an offer from some other team for the #3 pick and RG3 would go there.  I couldn't see him falling to number 4.  Someone would leapfrog Cleveland for Griffin.

No chance the Rams let that happen, they'll be trading their pick, count on that happening for sure.  There will be plenty of good offers for that pick, don't worry.   And if by some miracle I was wrong and he slips to the Vikings the price for RG3 skyrockets even more. Nobody is going to convince me the Vikings trust Ponder to be their future qb, they would gladly thank God for the gift and draft RG3 if they had to.  That or they would rape another team begging for their pick....



Since: Nov 7, 2008
Posted on: March 4, 2012 11:48 pm
 

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

I still think it is Clevelands pick to lose with the Skins as the darkhorse to come in a do something truly stupid, Hershel Walker kinda stupid.  

He has the physical skills to be a special player, but the lack of a track record to also be a flop.  It should be interesting to see the haul that the Rams get out of this and hopefully they use it wisely and fix the horrible OL and maybe score a WR.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: March 4, 2012 11:48 pm
 

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

 Manning goes to Miami and Flynn to Cleveland and then the Rams are stuck dancing with the Skins on this one. That will force the Rams hand. Who really knows? That is just my thinking, but the other moves make sense. 

Even if it works out that Manning goes to Miami and Flynn does go to Cleveland, the Rams are nowhere near stuck or forced to do anything with the Skins.  There are way too many teams in DESPERATE need of a quarterback that will create a bidding war for RG3. 

At number 3 the Vikings could easily get in on the bidding.  Christian Ponder is nowhere near proven, and he's only owed another 4.2 million dollars over the next 3 years.  His contract was only 10 million total over 4 years, they could easily bench him for RG3.   

At number 7 the Jaguars had the worst rated qb in the NFL.  Yeah, he's young but he sure didn't show very much promise.

At number 12 you have Seattle who I highly doubt is very comfortable with Tarvaris Jackson running the show.

At number 13 you have the Cardinals with Skelton at qb,,,,, enough said....

At number 16 you have the Jets with Mark Sanchez on the hot seat and a coach that might be on his way out soon.

At number 20 there is Tennessee who could use a young qb like RG3.

At number 25 you have the Tebow led Denver Broncos.... hardly a franchise qb.

And finally of course we have Washington, Miami and Cleveland looking for qb's.

Do all of the above teams try and trade up for RG3?  No, probably not.  But don't bet against a few of the above doing everything they can to get their guy.

Washington will have a ton of competition in the battle for the number 2 overall pick.  The team in the driver's seat is by far St Louis, nobody else is in control here and certainly not Washington.  If any teams out of the top 10 make offers those offers will be extremely high because they'll be moving up a lot further then Washington.  For the Skins to move up 4 spots and land RG3 they are most likely going to be forced pay a huge price, much larger then most teams pay to move up 4 spots.



Since: Dec 31, 2010
Posted on: March 4, 2012 11:43 pm
 

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

All the teams that covet RG3 now act as if they don't care.  When it heats up and Washington makes a push for the pick, you can bet Cleveland will crumble like house of cards to outbid them.  Right now, all are waiting to see who makes the first move and what is the offer.   If the Rams do not get what they want, they will draft Khali or Blackmon.



Since: Aug 18, 2006
Posted on: March 4, 2012 11:13 pm
 

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

The Skins will trade for this pick. I am a fan and know this smells like Danny all day long. I think 2 1sts and 2 3rds will do it. As soon as free agents start to sign and the draft gets a little closer a deal will happen. The only thing Snyder has not done is drafted a top 5 QB. Manning goes to Miami and Flynn to Cleveland and then the Rams are stuck dancing with the Skins on this one. That will force the Rams hand. Who really knows? That is just my thinking, but the other moves make sense.  



Since: Dec 5, 2009
Posted on: March 4, 2012 11:13 pm
 

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

We all know that Griffin's going to suceed in this league after what Cam Newton did.
No we dont. Cam Newton already proved what he can do at the next level but it does not automatically translate to RG3 being the same player.



Since: Sep 6, 2009
Posted on: March 4, 2012 11:07 pm
 

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

If somehow the Rams couldn't move the #2 pick and drafted a player other than RG3, the Vikings would probablly get an offer from some other team for the #3 pick and RG3 would go there.  I couldn't see him falling to number 4.  Someone would leapfrog Cleveland for Griffin.



Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: March 4, 2012 9:56 pm
 

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

If STL thinks they are going to get 2 1st rounders, a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder as I've heard rumors -- they could end up with nothing, as no team is going to pay that much. 

Wait and see, STL is going to get AT LEAST that much.  All of the talk between now and then is crap, it's just posturing, nothing more then that.  When the time comes and STL is on the clock teams will be ready to close a deal, instant panic will set in.  The trade offers they turn down between now and then for that number 2 pick will be nothing but history.  It might not be Cleveland, but other teams drafting below Cleveland will start having flashbacks of the nightmare seasons they've had at that position and they'll mortgage part of the future to get the rights to RG3.

It's automatic...  you're nuts if you think what you suggested is going to happen.  You think Cleveland swapping firsts this year and throwing in just one more for next next will get Cleveland the rights to the number 2 pick?  

No way man... RG3 even without playing a game in the NFL yet is being predicted to become an NFL star qb.....  St Louis doesn't need him, they already have a franchise qb, all they have to do is build around him.  But MANY other NFL teams are desperate for a qb.... somebody will more then overpay for that pick. 



Since: Mar 25, 2007
Posted on: March 4, 2012 9:55 pm
 

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Bag holderr on a snipe hunt,,,,Love it!!!!!!


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