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For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Posted on: March 4, 2012 11:49 am
At this point, it's unclear who will draft RG3. (Getty Images)
By Josh Katzowitz

Coming off his standout performance at the scouting combine last month, the stock for Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III might not ever be higher than it is right now. And thus, it makes sense that the Rams would like to trade their No. 2 draft pick as soon as possible in order to get the biggest booty in exchange for the rights to select Griffin in April.

Once free agency begins on March 13 and a number of quarterbacks like Kyle Orton, Matt Flynn, Jason Campbell and Chad Henne hit the open market, the desire to trade a trove of draft picks to the Rams for RG3 might decrease significantly.

Who wants RG3
But even before free agency begins, the St. Louis Post Dispatch reports, the Rams haven’t found a huge seller’s market.

According to the paper, the Browns, who already hold the No. 4 overall pick and obviously would have to give that up to move up to No. 2, aren’t willing to part with their second first-round pick this year (at No. 22). The idea of St. Louis not getting -- at the absolute bare minimum -- two first-round picks to give up their No. 2 selection is ridiculous, and if Cleveland sticks to that plan, perhaps the organization feels better about current quarterback Colt McCoy than many people might have guessed.

Adding to the Rams woes, the Redskins apparently are willing to part with their No. 6 pick this year and their first-round pick in 2013 but don’t want to give up their second-round pick this year. As the paper writes, that simply isn’t acceptable to the Rams.

The Post Dispatch also writes that trades won’t be worked out with eiter the Dolphins (the No. 8 pick) because Miami doesn’t want to deal with the coach in Jeff Fisher who spurned them for a job or the Seahawks (No. 12) because St. Louis doesn’t want to have to face RG3 twice a year for the foreseeable future.

What’s interesting about this scenario is if the Browns feel they can gamble and not trade for the No. 2 pick and still hope RG3 falls to them at No. 4, especially with the Vikings probably not looking at RG3 with Christian Ponder, a first-round pick last year, as the starting quarterback.

But as always, you have to take with a grain of salt any trade reports that occur before the NFL draft. At this point, it’s still a poker game with plenty of bluffing from all sides.

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Since: Sep 14, 2009
Posted on: March 4, 2012 9:32 pm

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Soft ? ? ?     What is this guy talking about?

Let's see what the "market" is once Peyton Manning signs somewhere (he'll never go to Cleveland or Washington) and then the Dolphins scoop up Matt Flynn...

After that the Browns and Redskins lock in on that #2 pick to get Griffin and the bidding war begins!!!

Two historic NFL franchises that have been down for 10 years+ and the fanbases growing increasingly frustrated.

Griffin fits Shanahan's system to a T and Snyder does not lose many bidding wars!

Also don't count out Seattle... Carroll knows he needs a franchise QB to take the next step and he is confident in losing draft picks because he believes he can spot talent and develop guys at the back end of the draft.

The Rams can let this go right to draft night and let the clock tick....  They can even go NBA style and draft Griffin then sit there wait for someone to come get him.

Soft Market???   More like King's Ransom ! ! !    

Since: Jan 17, 2012
Posted on: March 4, 2012 8:59 pm

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Man, all these teams passing up on RG3 are dumb. Even if they overspend on him, it's better than getting a Kyle Orton or a Jason Campbell. We all know that Griffin's going to suceed in this league after what Cam Newton did. And we all know that the QB's on the market are either busts or unaccomplished. 
So what's taking so long??? 

Since: Mar 4, 2012
Posted on: March 4, 2012 5:46 pm

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

What Cleveland needs to do if it doesn't trade up for RG3:

1. Sign a veteran starter at QB (Manning, Orton, Campbell)
2. Be aggressive and add veteran starters via free agency (OG, WR, DE, OLB, CB)
3. Trade down from the #4 pick to teams looking for Blackmon/Claiborne (Rams-from-Redskins, Jags, Panthers, Bills)
4. Be smart with the #22 pick: be open to trade offers OR draft for long-term value and don't reach for "need" players 

Since: Nov 25, 2011
Posted on: March 4, 2012 4:46 pm

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

I think you have an excellent "ransom" viewpoint!! Who is to say by drafting Griff you wouldn't also shake the bushes and be surprised at what/ who may show up!? (i.e. Jerry Jones -> get the feeling he's had it with Romo!) I would be curious as to what you feel the Rams needs are by priority at this time. Mine= WR's, OL, CB's ,DL, TE. Not sure Kendricks is the TE that can do the job with the dropped passes (or any of the Rams WR's for that matter) with exception of Lloyd who will more than likely follow Daniels to Pats.

I also think, unfortunately, in near future (3 yrs) Rams will say goodbye to STL, go west. Would like to see Greatest Show on Turf II before they go but Fischer won't throw as Martz did..

Since: May 15, 2007
Posted on: March 4, 2012 2:48 pm

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Cleveland's probably looking to see what the market is before making a trade that large. They know that neither STL or Minny want Griffin, so they might be thinking he will fall to them if no one else moves up to the number 2 spot. The optimal thing for STL to do is still to deal with someone before free agency, before the range of suitors narrows. However, if STL isn't able to get a deal to their liking, and if it becomes apparent that the Browns' game is in fact to call the Rams' bluff (i.e., if Cleveland doesn't make a move in FA), the Rams could try taking RGIII with the no. 2 pick and holding him ransom, like the Chargers did with Eli Manning in 2004. That could prod Cleveland into doing something drastic. Worst case scenario is that Cleveland still balks at the trade, and STL has to lessen its demands to make a deal with whoever else lost out in free agency. They'd still get a solid haul in that scenario, likely no worse than what they'd be offered immediately before the draft.

Since: May 29, 2009
Posted on: March 4, 2012 1:34 pm

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

St. Louis has to watch out with their asking price -- it could end up coming down to teams not being willing to part with multiple 1st round picks, as well as a 2nd round or more.

Teams know STL isn't going to spend the #2 pick on RGIII when they already have so much locked up in Bradford, so while STL holds a gold mine in the #2 spot, they shouldn't get too greedy.  Swapping picks with Cleveland and getting another #1 in 2013 would be great for the Rams, as they'd only drop 2 spots and would instantly fill a need and in 2013 would have multiple 1st rounders to fill more needs.

If STL thinks they are going to get 2 1st rounders, a 2nd rounder and a 3rd rounder as I've heard rumors -- they could end up with nothing, as no team is going to pay that much. 

Since: Jun 5, 2011
Posted on: March 4, 2012 12:51 pm

It's early yet

"Silly season" is just beginning.  As teams start to sign free agents, their needs will become more clear.  Also, GM's in all sports, especially the NFL, are notorious for playing their cards close to the vest.  There won't be any serious discussions for trading of draft picks until about 48-72 hours before the draft.  The actual trades usually happen on draft day.  

Consequently, anyone looking for hard information at this stage of the game might as well be the bag holder on a "snipe hunt."  

It should be encouraging to Rams fans, though, that the front office hasn't given up on Sam Bradford.  They must see something in him that belies his 70.5 QB rating last year.  This does beg a question, though: why not just take RGIII and have some real competition at the QB position?  I know they saw Bradford as a "franchise QB" when they drafted him, but true franchise QB's don't come around every year.  They are going to have to admit the possibility that they overestimated his capabilities.

If they think that RGIII is a true "franchise QB," they should take him.  If they don't, they should trade his rights for whatever they can get.   

Either way, there will be plenty of "silly" in Silly Season soon enough. 

Since: Apr 24, 2007
Posted on: March 4, 2012 12:16 pm

For now, market for STL No. 2 pick is soft

Why is there no discussion of draft picks and ACTUAL players being offered to the Rams bt teams wanting RG3 ?

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