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Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

Posted on: March 6, 2012 12:37 pm
Edited on: March 6, 2012 2:02 pm
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Gibbs, in his second stint as Skins coach. (Getty Images)
By Will Brinson

Gregg Williams, the man at the center of "Bountygate," worked under Joe Gibbs as the Redskins defensive coordinator from 2004 to 2007 (before he became head coach of the Bills; there is also a concern he ran a bounty program there). So naturally, Gibbs was asked about whether bounty programs existed in Washington. And he said they absolutely did not.

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But here's an interesting twist to that: George Starke, one of the original "Hogs" under Gibbs during his first tenure as 'Skins coach, appeared on ESPN 980 and said, via Dan Steinberg of D.C. Sports Bog, that Gibbs used to walk through the locker room and hand out $100 b ills to defensive players who knocked down the quarterback.

"Let’s be clear: the reason that the Hogs did that Hogs Night Out poster ... was, in the meeting after the game, Joe Gibbs would come in, he’d have a fistful of $100 bills," Starke said. "And if Dexter knocked the quarterback down three times, he would get three hundred-dollar bills. And Joe would pass the money out in the meeting, and we would have to duck."

(Hogs Night Out was a result of Starke and the linemen being mad they received no money, so they'd apparently sign Jack Kent Cooke's name to the check.)

Starke pointed out that Gibbs wouldn't consider the $100 handouts "bounties," but rather "incentives." And there's a big difference there, even if both are a violation of (current) NFL rules. Bounties contain a malicious intent to cause injury or physical harm to another player. Incentives are simply bonuses for doing your job well.

And while Starke pointed out that he didn't think Gregg Williams (who he doesn't know) would tell a player to hurt someone, he said that "George Allen did in fact put a bounty on Roger Staubach of 200 bucks, and the bounty was to knock him out ... Not to hurt him. Let's be clear about that. Knock him out... We used to call it drag-offs."

Now that is a bounty. And even if Starke doesn't think what Gibbs was doing would be considered a "bounty" and even if Gibbs wouldn't call it a "bounty," combining that description of injury to a person with the visual of Gibbs making it rain in the 'Skins locker room isn't exactly the best public relations for the former Redskins coach.

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rtsfantasy
Since: Mar 6, 2012
Posted on: March 6, 2012 2:57 pm
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Since: Jul 9, 2010
Posted on: March 6, 2012 2:54 pm
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

Gregg Williams, the man at the center of "Bountygate," worked under Joe Gibbs as the defensive coordinator from 2004 to 2007 (before he became head coach of the


Gregg Williams joined Gibbs in Washington AFTER being head coach in Buffalo - not BEFORE!  As for "Bounties", hell it is the NFL!  As long as the hit is legal I see no problem offering an incentive to do the job you're hired to do?!  Don't players get incentives for making the Pro Bowl, exceeding passing, rushing and receiving goals, etc.?  What's the problem?   The rules of the game have become skewed in favor of the offense, it's no wonder Defensive Coordinators have come up with incentives to try and level the playing field. 



Since: Mar 21, 2008
Posted on: March 6, 2012 2:51 pm
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

This is a really thin line between Bounties, which I equate to planning to hurt someone intentionally, and what is described in this article as an atta boy.  Even in Joe's Heyday, $100 was chickenfeed.    It would be like going around after the game and buying someone a pop or giving the game ball to someone.  I would wager he did the same for Interceptions and fumble recoveries, maybe even touchdowns.    The comment seems to indicate that Joe did this AFTER the game with no precursor to paying for the hit.   And I noted that the worsd were equalt to sacks, not hurting the other player.  A game plan that says we are going to harass the QB and let him know we're there is OK.  Pressure the QB.  The gameplan to Knockout the QB is Dick Butkus and Ray Nitchke stuff. 

But the implication that Joe taught Greg is pretty silly.  Pretty clear that Jeff Fisher a DB in his own Jack Tatum like days, would have fostered that back in the 90s, even more apparent now that they are back together again in St Louis. 


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Posted on: March 6, 2012 2:47 pm
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rtsfantasy
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Since: Mar 30, 2009
Posted on: March 6, 2012 2:31 pm
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

rtsfantasy, lern your football history and coaching trees.  You asked who taught Williams about bounties?  Why don't you take like three minutes and you can probably Google it (you do know how to Google, correct?), and you will find not only who Williams broke into coaching under, but also who taught him about bounties.



Since: Apr 6, 2009
Posted on: March 6, 2012 2:28 pm
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

 Something getting lost in the translation here, was it wasn't illeagal until after the first CBA inthe late 80's. After the salary cap was put into place


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Since: Aug 20, 2006
Posted on: March 6, 2012 2:23 pm
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

Hysterical... walk through the locker room and hand out $100 bills to defensive players who knocked down the QB.  What is this Friday Night Lights, The Longest Yard??  What did Gibbs do in NASCAR then, walk through pit row with a fist full of bills to pay out aggressive driving on his team & crew?  This soap opera is far better than Peyton Manning updates...give me more Gregg Williams hijinx!!!



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