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Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

Posted on: March 6, 2012 12:37 pm
Edited on: March 6, 2012 2:02 pm
 
Gibbs, in his second stint as Skins coach. (Getty Images)
By Will Brinson

Gregg Williams, the man at the center of "Bountygate," worked under Joe Gibbs as the Redskins defensive coordinator from 2004 to 2007 (before he became head coach of the Bills; there is also a concern he ran a bounty program there). So naturally, Gibbs was asked about whether bounty programs existed in Washington. And he said they absolutely did not.

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But here's an interesting twist to that: George Starke, one of the original "Hogs" under Gibbs during his first tenure as 'Skins coach, appeared on ESPN 980 and said, via Dan Steinberg of D.C. Sports Bog, that Gibbs used to walk through the locker room and hand out $100 b ills to defensive players who knocked down the quarterback.

"Let’s be clear: the reason that the Hogs did that Hogs Night Out poster ... was, in the meeting after the game, Joe Gibbs would come in, he’d have a fistful of $100 bills," Starke said. "And if Dexter knocked the quarterback down three times, he would get three hundred-dollar bills. And Joe would pass the money out in the meeting, and we would have to duck."

(Hogs Night Out was a result of Starke and the linemen being mad they received no money, so they'd apparently sign Jack Kent Cooke's name to the check.)

Starke pointed out that Gibbs wouldn't consider the $100 handouts "bounties," but rather "incentives." And there's a big difference there, even if both are a violation of (current) NFL rules. Bounties contain a malicious intent to cause injury or physical harm to another player. Incentives are simply bonuses for doing your job well.

And while Starke pointed out that he didn't think Gregg Williams (who he doesn't know) would tell a player to hurt someone, he said that "George Allen did in fact put a bounty on Roger Staubach of 200 bucks, and the bounty was to knock him out ... Not to hurt him. Let's be clear about that. Knock him out... We used to call it drag-offs."

Now that is a bounty. And even if Starke doesn't think what Gibbs was doing would be considered a "bounty" and even if Gibbs wouldn't call it a "bounty," combining that description of injury to a person with the visual of Gibbs making it rain in the 'Skins locker room isn't exactly the best public relations for the former Redskins coach.

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Since: Nov 3, 2007
Posted on: March 7, 2012 11:55 am
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

I have no problems with bounties, but why come and defend yourself when you did it too. I bet the guy doesn't come out if Gibbs doesn't lie haha.



Since: Nov 3, 2007
Posted on: March 7, 2012 11:52 am
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

It's funny that he said he didn't know this was going on and then someone comes out and says he would hand out 100 bills. Pretty funny Gibbs.



Since: Jan 27, 2010
Posted on: March 7, 2012 11:07 am
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

The only wussies are those two coaches who have to pay someone to injury somebody else..
They are suppose to stop and tackle the offense player from gaining yardage not INJURY or ends someone career.



Since: Jan 10, 2007
Posted on: March 7, 2012 11:03 am
 

MOVE TO FLAG-FOOTBALL!

30 years ago, things like crack-back blocks, helmet-to-helmet "I see dead-people" type hits were the norm, and horse-collar tackles were all good.
Certainly, those "techniques" deserved to be taken out of the defensive repetoir. HOWEVER, how can you go back and penalize Gibbs or the team? Absurd, just ridiculous over-reaction. It's understandable to be disappointed by Gibbs' lying about the fact that he, like so many other teams and coaches, had a bounty system in place. Penalizing or fining the man and the organization for being part of an accepted part of the culture is not.



Since: Aug 21, 2006
Posted on: March 7, 2012 10:16 am
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

I'm sorry is this soccer or Football or softball?  It's Football right?  In Football your job is to neutralize the QB (on defense)  If I do well at my job, I get bonuses.  Why shouldn't they?



Since: Mar 29, 2007
Posted on: March 7, 2012 9:57 am
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

Vikeswin said it very well:

 
Injuries are a part of the game, but purposely attempting to create them crosses a line. More ex-players than I would have expected are condemning this practice. Maybe you should get off our sofa and take a hit before calling them names.



Agreed 10000%. All of you people saying that violence is part of the game, players know what they sign up for, etc.....yeah, they know what they sign up for - they sign up for a sport with RULES that are meant to be followed, a sport where WINNING is the goal, not injuring someone.



Since: Apr 1, 2008
Posted on: March 7, 2012 9:39 am
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

100% agree, thats because its ran by lawyer wussies who want to sue the crap out of
you as soon as they smell blood (money)......Everyone wants a damn free handout
instead of working for it.  While not a goldenchild by any means, Vick hit it right on the
head when he said,"bounties on you only mean that team fears you because your good,
and I take that as a compliment and I'm gonna play harder"....  



Since: Jan 13, 2008
Posted on: March 7, 2012 9:39 am
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

Come on, people.  The object of the NFL is to win at all costs.  Do players want to permanently injure other players - NO.  Are they supposed to play all out, 100% all the time, and hit the opposing team as hard as they can - YES!  Do players get hurt when they get hit hard, YES!  Does your team and your fans like it when you hit hard - YES!  

These guys are doing what they do.  It's the National freaking FOOTBALL League.  If you can't take it, go sign up for curling.  
This country is turning into a bunch of whining babies that can't take a few inappropriate words, no hitting in sports.  We are too politically correct, and as I've seen posted here, we are turning into a bunch of wusses.  
We have a huge double standard in this country.  We want to see controversy, drama, hard hits.  We want to know the dirty little secrets, but when we find out, it's like we can't believe what we are seeing, and many act surprised that it is happening.  Hey, YOU wanted to see it, you wanted to know about it, don't act surprised that it's happening.  GROW UP!

The NFL players know what they signed up for.  They are going to get beat up, and could potentially suffer a career ending or life altering injury every time they take the field.  They could do something else.  They are college educated (for what it's worth these days), and they could get good paying jobs without playing in the NFL (well, most of them at least).  

I don't buy this bounty stuff like it's the worst thing that's happened in the league.  I don't even see it as a real problem.  The problem is, we know too much these days.  24/7 news and sports, the internet, video everywhere...nothing is confidential or private.  This has been going on since the beginning of time, it's nothing new.  It's part of the league, and I bet it runs rampant.  
 



Since: Nov 6, 2007
Posted on: March 7, 2012 8:47 am
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

have we all not had enough of this BS. this country is turning into a bunch of wussies.



Since: Sep 18, 2006
Posted on: March 7, 2012 8:41 am
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

King of Pain, I am with you...  Football is violent and people get hurt... End of story... This isn't tennis...  When a DE sacks the QB his job is to hit the QB as hard as possible. He's is not intentionally hurt him but if it happens, so be it... Its part of the game...   The whole Peyton, Redskins hurting him angle is just silly... Its always been well known that guys like Peyton, Brady, etc you want to hit them... Not illegally but just hit them hard and often... In this new softer NFL, hitting hard, etc is frowned upon... Its all about protecting the offensive players for Mr Gooddell, so I am sure he will come down hard on Williams and the Saints..


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