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Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

Posted on: March 6, 2012 12:37 pm
Edited on: March 6, 2012 2:02 pm
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Gibbs, in his second stint as Skins coach. (Getty Images)
By Will Brinson

Gregg Williams, the man at the center of "Bountygate," worked under Joe Gibbs as the Redskins defensive coordinator from 2004 to 2007 (before he became head coach of the Bills; there is also a concern he ran a bounty program there). So naturally, Gibbs was asked about whether bounty programs existed in Washington. And he said they absolutely did not.

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But here's an interesting twist to that: George Starke, one of the original "Hogs" under Gibbs during his first tenure as 'Skins coach, appeared on ESPN 980 and said, via Dan Steinberg of D.C. Sports Bog, that Gibbs used to walk through the locker room and hand out $100 b ills to defensive players who knocked down the quarterback.

"Let’s be clear: the reason that the Hogs did that Hogs Night Out poster ... was, in the meeting after the game, Joe Gibbs would come in, he’d have a fistful of $100 bills," Starke said. "And if Dexter knocked the quarterback down three times, he would get three hundred-dollar bills. And Joe would pass the money out in the meeting, and we would have to duck."

(Hogs Night Out was a result of Starke and the linemen being mad they received no money, so they'd apparently sign Jack Kent Cooke's name to the check.)

Starke pointed out that Gibbs wouldn't consider the $100 handouts "bounties," but rather "incentives." And there's a big difference there, even if both are a violation of (current) NFL rules. Bounties contain a malicious intent to cause injury or physical harm to another player. Incentives are simply bonuses for doing your job well.

And while Starke pointed out that he didn't think Gregg Williams (who he doesn't know) would tell a player to hurt someone, he said that "George Allen did in fact put a bounty on Roger Staubach of 200 bucks, and the bounty was to knock him out ... Not to hurt him. Let's be clear about that. Knock him out... We used to call it drag-offs."

Now that is a bounty. And even if Starke doesn't think what Gibbs was doing would be considered a "bounty" and even if Gibbs wouldn't call it a "bounty," combining that description of injury to a person with the visual of Gibbs making it rain in the 'Skins locker room isn't exactly the best public relations for the former Redskins coach.

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Since: Mar 3, 2007
Posted on: March 6, 2012 9:11 pm
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

Again hitting does not equal hurting. Have you EVER watched football?



Since: Nov 18, 2011
Posted on: March 6, 2012 9:09 pm
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

When people appear too good  to be true, well..

I wonder if Joe prayed it up for all those who suffered pain by this behavior.  He just climbed way up the list of Major League Hypocrites. 



Since: Apr 23, 2007
Posted on: March 6, 2012 9:01 pm
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

This is a non-story. Sorry I wasted my time reading it. What are they going to do to Gibbs? Suspend him from NASCAR?



Since: Aug 22, 2007
Posted on: March 6, 2012 8:37 pm
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

Yeah, $100 bills.  Big F'n deal.  Seriously, these guys are making millions, giving them $100 bills is the same as saying good job for the hit...like every single coach at every single level does.



Since: Aug 22, 2006
Posted on: March 6, 2012 8:10 pm
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

Actually, half the time these guys "knock the snot out of someone," they risk not doing their jobs. Defensive players get paid to tackle. To wrap a guy and take him down. To make sure the ball carrier doesn't get extra yards. But these days, guys go for the big Sportcenter highlight hit (or maybe a bounty, who knows). They come full speed and ignore fundamentals to try to level a guy. And how many times have you seen a defender try that and either miss or hit the ball carrier only for the ball carrrier to keep his feet and gain more yardage? A defender's job is to tackle, and that means wrapping. And wrapping is much less likely to injure someone than the full speed, kamikaze attempt to lay a guy out.

These big hits - even the ones that stop a play - are  shoddy and lazy tackling. But fundamentally beautiful tackles don't make Sportscener's Top 10. And they don't typically injure a player. So defenders go for the highlight or the injury hit.

And if you want your bounty, it's not just a cheap shot that can knock a guy out of a game. A WR or RB has the ball and as a defender you can target a lot of places for the tackle. The knee can end a guy's day or career. Even on a clean hit. But offer a guy a few grand atke a guy out, and it's much more worth it to lower the pads and go after the knee, just as an example.




Since: Dec 9, 2006
Posted on: March 6, 2012 8:10 pm
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

says the Saints homer.....



Since: Mar 5, 2009
Posted on: March 6, 2012 8:08 pm
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

Goodell has NO choice now that his name is on all this.  NOW he HAS to lower the boom or face million dollar lawsuits later. Good work you pathetic morons who want the glory of knowing you were paid for possibly ending someones career.



Since: Jun 4, 2008
Posted on: March 6, 2012 7:32 pm
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

I find it hard to believe that a $2,000 bounty made a difference in how the players played the game. If its a legal hit and they knock the snot out of someone,  who cares.  Thats what defensive players get paid to do...If its a cheap shot they're going to get fined between $25,000 to $150,000 like James Harrison did. Thats like saying I'll pay $2,000 to go get a personal foul and a $100,000 fine.




Since: Oct 15, 2011
Posted on: March 6, 2012 7:23 pm
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

All this stuff is hilarious.   Worried about a couple hundred bucks on good hits?  Its laughable.  Lets get behind the "curtain" and take a good look at whats out there in the NFL - the steroids and HGH, the drugs, dancers and call girls, etc.  Make the list as long as you would like with the bad stuff going on in this league.  The NFL is a PR machine and they have the best "spin Drs" in the business.  If Joe Public knew everything that goes on it would blow our minds. 



Since: Sep 13, 2010
Posted on: March 6, 2012 7:17 pm
 

Starke: Gibbs handed out $100 bills for QB hits

Hey idiots:paying someome after the fact is a bounty. It implies that the same thing will happen in the future. If nothing else, this episode shines a light on the fact that the NfL is run by, staffed by, and contains players whoare all morons. But ny questionis this; who are the bigger idiots, the people in the NFl, or the people who spend money to watch or go to NFL games? This is billion dollar lunacy, lets spen our time and money on other things. Wake up people, boycottthestadiums.com


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