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Are the Browns interested in Matt Flynn?

Posted on: March 8, 2012 10:03 pm
Edited on: March 9, 2012 12:25 am
 
Flynn would allow Cleveland to keep the two first-rounders they'd have to give up to acquire RG3 in the draft. (Getty Images)

By Ryan Wilson

In our AFC North free agency preview Wednesday, we mentioned that should Matt Flynn not end up in Miami, the Browns would certainly be interested. This is based on the assumption that Cleveland isn't yet fully committed to Colt McCoy and that Flynn is considered one of the best available free-agent quarterbacks.

On Thursday, Browns general manager Tom Heckert said that Peyton Manning wasn't in the team's future ("probably not the direction we're gonna go") but Flynn, at least according to the Canton Repository's Steve Doerschuk, is definitely an option. Doerschuk writes that "the gates are wide open to signing Matt Flynn next week." And when Heckert was asked if Flynn would be in Ohio for a visit after free agency begins Tuesday afternoon, he offered this:

“Ummmmmmm.”

That's a lot to glean from one long syllable, but Flynn makes a ton of sense.

He's not a physical specimen, nor does he possess a particularly strong arm. But in the right system, his smarts and accuracy are assets. NFL Films' Greg Cosell, who watches more game film than anyone whose not an NFL coach, wrote recently about Flynn's strengths.

"His attributes, based on film breakdown of his two NFL starts, derive from his talent as a timing and rhythm passer who’s decisive with his reads and throws, and has shown good accuracy in the short to intermediate areas. …One thing I liked was his pocket movement. He showed the ability to slide and maintain his downfield focus. That’s a far more important trait than running out of the pocket."

CBSSports.com's Pete Prisco was impressed with Flynn's Week 17 performance against the Lions, but he's also wary of trying to draw conclusions based on two meaningful games in four NFL seasons.

"Watching this game would leave me wanting more. And that's the problem, there isn't much more. He has just one other start, in 2010 against the Patriots. He put up good numbers that day, throwing for 251 yards and three touchdowns, but as this Lions game taught us numbers can be deceiving. Signing him to a huge deal is essentially rolling the dice he can be a Super Bowl-quality starter."

Is the risk worth it? It's hard to say, but this much is certain: Flynn will be cheaper than what it will cost the Browns to trade up from No. 4 to No. 2 to take Robert Griffin III. When asked generally about the Browns' plans to draft a quarterback, Heckert was noncommittal:

“We might do it. We’re not saying that’s the case," he said. Heckert also admitted to talking to the Rams, who hold the second-overall selection, but wouldn't classify the discussions as "serious." He called media reports surrounding the team's draft plans "crazy" and suggested the Browns could stay put.

"We feel very comfortable staying at [No.] 4 and getting a good player there, and that could happen," he said. "And we feel comfortable in moving down and getting more picks, we really do. It's way early to start talking about this stuff."

The News-Herald's Jeff Schudal wrote Tuesday that bidding for Flynn is expected to involve Cleveland, Miami and Seattle (though the Seahawks and Dolphins could be caught up in Manning Mania in the coming days). Schudal also notes that Flynn would be cost-effective option to RG3:
"Flynn could cost $40 million or more on a multiyear contract, but the Browns would retain all their draft choices if that is what they choose. Flynn, a seventh-round draft choice from LSU in 2008, would be able to step right in and play in the Browns' West Coast offense because what the Browns run and what the Packers run have roots in Green Bay from the time current Browns president Mike Holmgren was the Packers' head coach from 1992-98."
But on Thursday, attending the same Heckert press conference as Doerschuk, Schudal had a completely different take on the probability Flynn ends up in Cleveland.

"[Heckert] … implied the Browns will not go after Matt Flynn when the Packers quarterback becomes a free agent Tuesday."

"We're not down on Colt McCoy," Heckert added. "I want to make that clear. We talked (in January) about the protection stuff and receivers dropping balls. All that does factor in. If we catch more balls and protect him better can Colt be a lot better? Yes. That's our goal. We still think Colt can play in this league and it's our job to help him out."

Returning to what we wrote in the AFC North free agency preview: after a promising rookie season, McCoy regressed in Year 2, but again, that wasn't entirely his fault. There were allegations that the offense was too predictable, but this is what happens when a second-year quarterback is without his Pro Bowl running back, doesn't have a go-to receiver, and the offense line struggles to keep him upright. McCoy should get an opportunity to compete for the starting job but he likely won't head into training camp with his name atop the depth chart.

Either way, we'll know more come Tuesday at 4 p.m. ET.

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Since: Jul 3, 2012
Posted on: July 3, 2012 4:35 am
 

Are the Browns interested in Matt Flynn?

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Since: Jan 17, 2012
Posted on: March 11, 2012 5:41 pm
 

Are the Browns interested in Matt Flynn?

Matt Flynn, baby.

Watch out, Cleveland. The days of Kosar are long gone. Prepare for the next few years in hell. Really, I don't mean to be a downer on the Browns, but seriously, is anything good? The highlight of the offense is JOE THOMAS, AN OFFENSIVE TACKLE. That's a plus ot the Browns QB, unless Mr. Thomas lets someone get passed him and that defensive player almost knockles out Mr. McCoy.

I'm very sorry to say this. I'm very sympathetic for the city of Clevaland. The Browns, Cavs, and Indians all mushed up together is hell. Clevaland, please enjoy the ride through hell. 



Since: Oct 31, 2011
Posted on: March 10, 2012 10:21 pm
 

Are the Browns interested in Matt Flynn?

Not sure why the Browns would be looking at Matt Flynn unless they want a back-up quarterback. Cannot see that he is an upgrade from Colt McCoy. As far as I'm concerned, he's an unproven commodity. The problems with the Browns offense last year were not created by Colt McCoy. He had no offensive line and was running for his life 99% of the time. The soap opera with Peyton Hillis, injuries, dropped passes, etc. only added to the chaos. I thought the play-calling was suspect as well. I believe that the Browns had a more effective offensive scheme the previous year. The talk of going after RGIII was understandable because many believe that he might be another Cam Newton and turn out to be one of those once in a lifetime players. Matt Flynn is not, as far as I can see, in that league. The Browns need help in a number of areas. If they don't shore up the offensive line it doesn't matter who the quarterback is. Frankly I would like to see Colt McCoy get out of Cleveland if they don't put some better players around him. He might not survive if they don't.



Since: Jan 2, 2012
Posted on: March 10, 2012 3:33 pm
 

Are the Browns interested in Matt Flynn?

Flynn compares favorably to Brady from a draft standpoint, and may have more, physically, than Brady.  Flynn is not Brady- like yet, but he hasn't gotten his chance in a full season yet.  Flynn was coached up the past few years, and learned from McCarthy and Rodgers.  He performed at an unbelieveable level when offered the shot.  I don't care about 1-1.  He performed.  He was in control.  He runs the offense perfectly.  He will succeed now, as he has trained/prepared to succeed for 3 plus years.  WHEN he starts (not if), he will have success.  Team success is tied in part to the QB's performance. When you throw for 480 yds and 6 TDs in an NFL Game... you have SOMETHING.  My point was simply Flynn will do the job better than RGIII will, and it won't cost 2 (or 3) 1st round picks.  Cleveland was smart not to trade up... Let the Redskins walk the plank...  Flynn may never become Drew Brees or Tom Brady, then again, his initial numbers are better than anything Brees or Brady ever put up... Lets give Flynn a chance before pronouncing him anything.



Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: March 10, 2012 1:39 pm
 

Are the Browns interested in Matt Flynn?

And it's amazing that a guy who ends up 12th in receiving yards and 3rd in TDs for tight ends is considered a "disappointment".
Then you weren't paying attention to all the preseason hype. Finely was plagued with drops and mental lapses, too. And it's hard not to rack up some yards on a team that passes first, second, and third.
And if Flynn can succeed because of the system how does it NOT blend well with the Kolb analogy?  Kolb's system in Philly was QB friendly and good for him.
Then why didn't Kolb perform as well as Flynn did?

Let me see him do it two weeks in a row instead of one week out of a season, two seasons in a row.
Ah, now, there's the rub, isn't it? Like I said before, we just don't know how he'll turn out.



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: March 10, 2012 9:49 am
 

Are the Browns interested in Matt Flynn?

@BREES4MVP

I don't really care what Rodgers had to say.  And my original point still stands about Flynn and his college resume.  Matt Mauck did the EXACT same thing with the same college just 4 years before Flynn.  In fact, Mauck, over his college career, also sported the better winning percentage.  So you can throw that out the window.  Statistically RG3 could be a bust.  But, statistically, so could Flynn.  So that argument is stupid as well.  In fact, statistically, 7th round QBs fail at a much higher rate than 1st round QBs.  When was the last time you heard about a good 7th round QB?  And let's not throw Brady in there because, unlike Flynn, Brady had Drew Henson ALSO throwing passes for Michigan.  As far as "doing" it in the NFL, 1-1 as a starter cuts it as being a winner for you?



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: March 10, 2012 9:44 am
 

Are the Browns interested in Matt Flynn?

Sorry Lotus.  Guys don't score 15 TDs because they're being "ignored".  Not to mention that Nelson's 1st and 3rd biggest offensive outputs of the season (weeks 15 & 16, 15 catches for 277 and 5 TDs) came when Jennings was injured.  And it's amazing that a guy who ends up 12th in receiving yards and 3rd in TDs for tight ends is considered a "disappointment".  No.  My point still holds a ton of merit.

And if Flynn can succeed because of the system how does it NOT blend well with the Kolb analogy?  Kolb's system in Philly was QB friendly and good for him.  Wouldn't that lead us to believe that if he had a system in Arizona like he had in Philly that he could ALSO succeed?  One last thing.  Isn't 132 attempts an extremely small indicator?  In fact, it's not much more of an indicator than college level achievements.  Let me see him do it two weeks in a row instead of one week out of a season, two seasons in a row.



Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: March 10, 2012 4:11 am
 

Are the Browns interested in Matt Flynn?

Sorry Lotus, gotta disagree with you here.  First, the Pats and Lions were not exactly the epitome of good defenses.  Second, something is definitely lost if you sign Flynn to a ton of guaranteed money and he fails.  Mainly a huge salary cap hit or a benchwarmer making a ton of money.  But, seriously, Flynn looked good because the Packers receiving corps is extremely deep and talented, not because he is necessarily good.
Money won't set a team back like losing draft picks will. My argument wasn't that there is no risk in signing Flynn, it's that the analogy of Flynn & Kolb is a very bad analogy. They're not alike. Their situations are not alike.

And Green Bay's receiving corps is not as good as people think. Greg Jennings is a stud, but after that, there are problems galore. Jordy Nelson only came on this year because everyone ignored him and focused on Finley and Jennings. Finley was a major disappointment, Driver is old, Jones has catastrophic mental lapses, and they all drop balls like they're on fire. It's not like Flynn was closing his eyes and chucking it up over late-90's Randy Moss.

Not to mention that this is a weak argument that exposes a lack of knowledge. If you think that Flynn was made by his receivers, you didn't watch him play. The system had more to do with it, but he still had to go out there and execute. Which he did, and very well. Right now, Flynn is largely an unknown quantity. To act as if you're certain one way or the other about him is folly and misplaced arrogance. No one knows how he'll do. The best we have are some indicators, such as his performance both in games and in practice. In the latter example, he has acquitted himself very well. He also showed that in the right system, he can be very effective. This doesn't mean he will succeed, but it indicates that he has a decent chance. And that's as far as anyone can honestly take it.

But the Kolb analogy is a bad one. That's my point. There are plenty of other, far more similar situations to draw from. The Kolb analogy is a crutch for naysayers who don't have very long memories or much in the way of general NFL knowledge.



Since: Feb 25, 2009
Posted on: March 10, 2012 4:11 am
 

Are the Browns interested in Matt Flynn?

Sorry Lotus, gotta disagree with you here.  First, the Pats and Lions were not exactly the epitome of good defenses.  Second, something is definitely lost if you sign Flynn to a ton of guaranteed money and he fails.  Mainly a huge salary cap hit or a benchwarmer making a ton of money.  But, seriously, Flynn looked good because the Packers receiving corps is extremely deep and talented, not because he is necessarily good.
Money won't set a team back like losing draft picks will. My argument wasn't that there is no risk in signing Flynn, it's that the analogy of Flynn & Kolb is a very bad analogy. They're not alike. Their situations are not alike.

And Green Bay's receiving corps is not as good as people think. Greg Jennings is a stud, but after that, there are problems galore. Jordy Nelson only came on this year because everyone ignored him and focused on Finley and Jennings. Finley was a major disappointment, Driver is old, Jones has catastrophic mental lapses, and they all drop balls like they're on fire. It's not like Flynn was closing his eyes and chucking it up over late-90's Randy Moss.

Not to mention that this is a weak argument that exposes a lack of knowledge. If you think that Flynn was made by his receivers, you didn't watch him play. The system had more to do with it, but he still had to go out there and execute. Which he did, and very well. Right now, Flynn is largely an unknown quantity. To act as if you're certain one way or the other about him is folly and misplaced arrogance. No one knows how he'll do. The best we have are some indicators, such as his performance both in games and in practice. In the latter example, he has acquitted himself very well. He also showed that in the right system, he can be very effective. This doesn't mean he will succeed, but it indicates that he has a decent chance. And that's as far as anyone can honestly take it.

But the Kolb analogy is a bad one. That's my point. There are plenty of other, far more similar situations to draw from. The Kolb analogy is a crutch for naysayers who don't have very long memories or much in the way of general NFL knowledge.



Since: Jan 2, 2012
Posted on: March 9, 2012 9:50 pm
 

Are the Browns interested in Matt Flynn?

My opinion of Flynn is not a "homer" pick.  Besides, Aaron Rodgers said Flynn was a top 15 QB today... Is that a "homer" pick too?  Flynn is a LEADER and WINS games.  He has seen 3 years or so of Pro football and tucked alot of knowledge away.  I will say this... before  I gave up 2 1st round picks to get RGIII, I would sign Flynn.  Statistically, RGIII has a decent shot of being a bust.  Look at those before him there were busts... PLENTY... J. Russell, Leaf, Akili Smith, Couch, etc... the list goes on... Flynn has done it on the highest level of college football (SEC).  He did it in the BCS Championship and in the NFL every time he got a chance.  Too much to give up for RGIII. Keep the 4th pick... get Richardson or someone else who can help.  Flynn may not be Brees or Brady, but he isn't Rex Grossman, Curtis Painter or Tavaris Jackson either.    


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