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Will Boise have Staying Power?

Posted on: January 15, 2008 2:39 pm
Edited on: February 11, 2008 4:10 pm
 

Does Boise have the ability to remain at (or near) the top of the non-BCS teams in College Football?  Let's explore the possibilities of that...

  • Longevity:
    Boise has been a member of FBS (former Div1A) for only 11 years - and counting.  So essentially there is no longevity at the highest division of college football.  That of course takes time.  But over those short 11 years, Boise has proven that they can win regularly, sporting a Won/Lose record since 2000 that is better than all but a couple FBS teams.  Sure, the haters out there will argue that Boise's schedule allows them to win all those games.  And of course there is truth to that.  But still, having been a member of the FBS for only 11 years speaks volumes of the success story that is Boise St!
  • Success at Previous Levels...
    Not many people outside of Boise realize that this team has been very successful in College Football prior to the FBS.  Having won National Championships at both the Div2 and FCS (former Div1AA) levels, Boise has proven not only that this team knows how to win, but that it continues to successfully grow.  There appears to be no end in site of Boise's potential growth.  Of course, you don't know you've hit your maximum growth until after you've reached it, but for Boise at least, we haven't seen the end yet.
  • Coaching...
    Boise has proven that it can deal with turnover in the coaching staff and still continue to win.  The atmosphere at Boise St has fostered a winning attitude throughout the entire campus - from the school President, to the AD, to the faculty and students.  Boise St, it seems, can be successful regardless of who is at the helm.  This will bode well in the future as well, since Boise will be a prime location for up-and-coming coaches (with a hunger to win and be successful) who want to propel their stock in coaching at a higher level.  It is that hunger for success that is prevalent at Boise.
  • Attitude...
    For at least the past decade, the attitude at Boise has been - work to win, then work some more.  It's that blue-collar mentality that attracts both coaches and players, which are willing to work, work, and work some more, to win.  It comes from always being the underdog and having to fight harder then everyone else to gain that respect.  It comes from winning the conference championship one year and still being told the next you can't win it again (and doing it 5 times in a row). .........  The attitude has been pretty consistent for many years, but did seem to be a little less noticeable this year (2007).  Can the players get back that blue-collar mentality next year - when Fresno will likely be the pre-season favorite for the WAC Title?
  • Recruits...
    This is probably the area that is always so tough to judge.  Recruits are rated by a couple of primary rating sites.  These sites rate recruits heavily on tangibles - size, speed, game stats, etc.  They are rarely rated on the hardest commodities of all to rate - the intangibles like heart, will, and overall desire to win.  Boise has been successful in the past at getting those recruits that may have been passed over by the bigger schools for lacking the tangibles, but who have great intangibles.  Prime example - Kory Hall.  Recruited by no one out of High School, was very successful as a smallish, slowish MLB in college, and is now doing very well as a Fullback on a Playoff Bound NFL team (Packers).  These are the kinds of guys that have ended up at Boise in the past.  .........  Since the Fiesta Bowl though, higher rated recruits have become interested in Boise.  In rating numbers, Boise has recruited the last two years better than any other non-BCS team (other than BYU).  Will these new types of recruits change the dynamics of Boise's formula for success, or will they continue to build successful season upon successful season?  Only time will tell on this one.

Overall, 2007 was a down year for Boise.  And at a record of 10-3, that's really saying something about the expectations of Boise St Football.  But if you look at it closely, Boise's schedule for 2007 was very soft, so the success was likely perceived greater than it really was.  I personally feel that Boise needs to get that blue-collar mentality back.  It was the one piece in the formula-for-success that seemed to be lacking on Boise team this past year.  ............  Personally, I believe they will get it back.  Maybe not next year - 2008 looks to be another rebuilding year for Boise - but definitely by 2009 and 2010, when Boise could emerge once again as the premier non-BCS team in the nation.

So the answer to the original question is...... 
Yes!  Boise does have the ability to remain at (or near) the top of the non-BCS teams in College Football (in my own opinion of course)

 

Comments

Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: February 14, 2008 11:59 am
 

Will Boise have Staying Power?

No probs Cran, I didn't think you were being preachy.  I'ld rather be informed than ignorant. 
Besides, since you went to all that work to understand the system, you should share it!!!

And I agree, it's a shame that the Rose Bowl Execs have placed themselves above all others (in their own minds).  Ultimately, it will be their un-doing!!!

 




Since: Oct 24, 2006
Posted on: February 13, 2008 11:19 pm
 

Will Boise have Staying Power?

BA,

That is correct, the Rose is not included in the rotation as it is set up currently.  I hope I didn't come across as "preachy", I just want mid-major fans to be educated about the bowl possibilites.  I know it drove GJP nuts before Boise State made the Fiesta and it drove me nuts prior to the Sugar.  So I wasn't coming down on you about mentioning the Rose.

It is a shame the Rose is out of the rotation.  The penalty is that they will never (under the current system) hold a NC game there either.  That's just fine with the "blue noses" on the Rose bowl committee.  They are in love with their crappy Big Ten v Pac 10 match up no matter how bad it is (ie Illinois v USC this season).  So a Boise State v Pac-10 matchup in a BCS bowl game scenario is not a possibility under the current system.  Unless of course they are both vying for a NC (over the big boys dead bodies...lol).  Truly sad.



Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: February 11, 2008 1:27 pm
 

Will Boise have Staying Power?

Cran...  I read your blog on BCS Selection.  Very good by the way.

So according to your blog, the Rose is never in the rotation of having to take the last bowl selection (which would always be the non-BCS team if they qualify)?  Interesting.  It's a shame too.  Can you imagine what kind of attention a matchup with USC would be like in the Rose?!!!  

 




Since: Nov 25, 2007
Posted on: February 10, 2008 8:40 pm
 

Will Boise have Staying Power?

Orange or Sugar it is all sweeet, icing on the cake.  Nah you are wrong Cran, BSU is Blue collar all the way, they will take that blue collar out after OU licks the Beavers and choke them both into submission, so look for the Blue collar mentality to continue by the Blue Broncos.  Broncos take one or both, if they run the tables they will be in the Sugar Bowl.  BTW all you WAC haters: UGA blew out their last five opponents in the Sugar and the Broncos in the last meeting between the two teams.

The real battle will be between Georgia and Florida, look for that winner to take the SEC, and as all you College FB fans know the winner of the SEC gets to show how good they are in that title game against the best of the Big Ten Schools.   Of course I will say as a WAC fan that if BSU runs the tables and licks both Beavers and Ducks that they absolutely deserve to be there, wherever the HELL that Bowl is or what it is named.  So before all the nonwacfans say that BSU deserves to be there and then say that after the game they knew that da Broncos would lose the game go eat some Spud-ollees, Mickey-Dees has some for $1.  

BSU is here to stay, a new tradition is already a done deal, even in a bad year they are second in the WAC, I want to see them blow up BYU now that BYU is afraid to play in Hawai'i like Michigan and Michigan State;  If I had the money I'd pay those cry babies (MI, MSU, & BYU) 250K not to come to Honolulu.  How come Broncos are not afraid to come twice in one month and take their lickings?  That is right they are not afraid.   Thanks to them it is WAC who is not afraid and the Big Ten is afraid.   So it is blue collar all the way.

Speaking of MickeyDee's did somebody say Appalachian State?  




Since: Oct 24, 2006
Posted on: February 10, 2008 3:04 pm
 

Will Boise have Staying Power?

I'm sorry, I must correct myself.  The mid-major who qualifies in the 2009 season would play in the 2010 Sugar Bowl.  So Boise State, provided they qualify, would play in the Sugar, not the Orange.



Since: Oct 24, 2006
Posted on: February 10, 2008 1:17 pm
 

Will Boise have Staying Power?

BA,

Actually, in 2009 Boise State (should they be lucky enough) would end up in the Orange:

4. After steps No. 1, 2 and 3 have been completed, any bowl with an unfilled slot shall select a team from the automatic qualifiers and/or at-large teams in the following order:

  A. The bowl played on the date nearest to the National Championship Game (for 2008, Orange Bowl) will pick first;
  
B. The bowl played on the date second-nearest to the National Championship Game (for 2008, Fiesta Bowl) will pick second;
  
C. The bowl hosting the game that is played in the time slot immediately after the Rose Bowl game (for 2008, Sugar Bowl) will pick third.


 January 2009 games: Fiesta, Sugar, Orange

In all likelyhood, Boise State will NEVER see a Rose bowl in the current system.  The Rose is not "forced" to choose a particular team but the Fiesta, Sugar and Orange are.  The only reason a non-BCS team will make a BCS bowl game is because of the rules set in place which require it (and only that was granted by lawmakers).  Therefore, any non-BCS team who qualifies under the current system will always be "chosen" by the Bowl who hosts the NC game that year:

January 2007 games: Sugar, Orange, Fiesta
  January 2008 games: Orange, Fiesta, Sugar
  January 2009 games: Fiesta, Sugar, Orange
  January 2010 games: Orange, Fiesta, Sugar



Since: Oct 20, 2006
Posted on: February 8, 2008 11:04 am
 

Will Boise have Staying Power?

Cran...  Like you, I'm excited about 2009.  The schedule sets up for us pretty well, and I think the boys on the team will be ready to conquer everyone they meet on the field.  Having Oregon at home (if they don't opt out) and Oregon St on the road, plus the rest of the OOC schedule, will be good for us!!!

In 2009, if we're able to bust the BCS for a second time, we'll be at the Rose Bowl.  What a great venue!!!




Since: Dec 13, 2006
Posted on: February 2, 2008 7:04 pm
 

Will Boise have Staying Power?

Well, at least some of us die-hard Boise fans have staying power.

No question that BSU will continue to be a top "mid major."  Busting into the next level will be tougher.  The BCS conferences are not looking to expand, the only possibility to move up the MWC (not really a move up in my opinion, more of a sideways move).

The big obstacle? Money.  The entire BCS system is carefully arranged to keep the 15-20 elite programs on top, and everyone else scrambling for a piece of the pie.  Boise has probably hit a bit of a glass ceiling, and a "normal" season after Fiesta Bowl magic is a little disappointment for rabid supporters who only want bigger, better, right now!  You simply cannot keep up with the Georgias, OSU's, Michigans, & LSU's of the world with a 30,000 stadium and a budget that wouldn't even pay for the coaching staff at an elite school.  We don't get the top recruits when we must compete with those big programs. 

Boise, as long as it doesn't give into the "sucker bets" that have been the downfall of countless smaller programs that sought to go big-time, will continue to do fine. It's actually better for Boise to be disrespected (I can hardly wait for the Georgia homers to start slamming us) than it is to start believing all the press clippings.  The answer is to get better in steps, not all at once.  Blue collar works great for me, it makes those wins all the sweeter!




Since: May 4, 2007
Posted on: January 25, 2008 7:16 pm
 

Will Boise have Staying Power?

Finallly I believe someone has analyized Boise State correctly past the "blue collar" tag, well at least someone who likely isn't a life-long BSU fan and got it into print.  The coaching (ability to sustain), attitude, and recruiting facts are all points we long time Bronco fans make but the "success at previous levels" facts truely demonstrate the staying power of the Broncos and what they have behind them to continue -- the school--students, the city, the state and well now... what is emerging as the "Bronco Nation".  The Bronco Nation, all those people who root for the underdog, like hotdogs, and like to see others who work hard, like they do, succeed. 

As for longevity, the school, city and state are already addressing "distractions to being a premier D-1" school like more research programs in academics and improvements in facilities.  Investments in longevity have already happened.  The staying power is guaranteed by all the above. 




Since: Oct 24, 2006
Posted on: January 16, 2008 11:05 pm
 

Will Boise have Staying Power?

Boise State has another opportunity to make a nation wide statement again in 2009.  Games against Oregon at home and Oregon State on the road in their out of conference schedule gives them the opportunity to bust the BCS with a more difficult strength of schedule.  They will have to overcome the hurdle of winning on the road against a BCS team for the first time during the season.  The past two trips to Oregon State resulted in losses, but each game was very close (many fans argue the Pac-10 refs aided the Beavers in their wins).

If the Broncos allow one of their young guns to gain some experience this season, 2009 could very well be another BCS bowl season for the boys from the Blue.  Could Boise State be the first non-BCS (or if you prefer...mid-major) to bust the BCS twice?  I think so.


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