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Owners can't agree on opening books

Posted on: March 10, 2011 11:40 am
There is just one day left before a possible NFL Armageddon and a crucial event has happened within the past 24 hours.

There are some NFL owners who want to completely open the league's financial books to the union, has learned.

The problem is other NFL owners are refusing.

So the stalling in the talks has happened because one set of owners desires to open their books and others do not, a source explains. Thus ownership is stuck trying to find a way to mend these differences.

If ownership can, and the books are opened, a deal could likely be reached quite quickly.

That's where we are now. Ownership is arguing amongst itself.

Incredible, isn't it?

It's virtually impossible for ownership to reach a consensus on this issue by the Friday evening deadline so unless another extension is agreed upon, the lockout/decertification will happen then.

This is getting interesting. Right down to the wire.

Category: NFL
Tags: Labor

Since: Jun 29, 2008
Posted on: March 10, 2011 1:35 pm

Owners can't agree on opening books

Try to understand what people are really trying to say instead of attacking them.
There absolutely is a comparison - regardless if people pay to watch the employees "work" or not.

  • the players are employees  (regardless if people pay to see them perform)
  • the owners/NFL own the business
  • it is no one's business what the "company" makes
  • asking for a % of the profits is fine
  • asking to know exactly what the profits are and then determining what % to ask for is not
  • bottom line: without the owners/NFL, there isn't a job

Side note, the owners and players are both in agreement to a Rookie Scale, because it is in both of their best interests.  Therefore, there is no "concession" by the players on this matter.  What the Rookie Scale does is right the ship and stop slapping all the members of the UNION across the face by paying kids (that are not part of the union) salaries that exceed the All-Pros that have been playing 3-10 years already.

The real losers in all of this is not the owners, players or even us as fans (as much as I'd love to say we are the ones getting stuck)....nope, it is the concession workers, parking attendants, custodians, ticket takers, marketing staffs, etc... those are the ones that will add to the already 19% of people in the US that are under-employed.

Since: Aug 30, 2006
Posted on: March 10, 2011 1:17 pm

Owners can't agree on opening books

Why are people still comparing their job to that of a NFL player? Statements like if I asked my boss to open the books I would be fired, just show your ignorance. There is absolutely no comparison. For this example I will take my job as a systems engineer but it probably goes for most of your jobs also. Not one ticket has ever been sold to watch me do my job. If I autograph my work shirt I just ruined it. My boss has never gone to a group of advertisers and gotten them to hand over millions for the naming rights of the building because of the engineering department has national exposure and a billion dollar TV contract. My job requires knowledge and skill - yes, world class talent - no.

I am not sure why some of you are so hung up on semantics when if you have paid any attention at all you know exactly what they are talking about. The 800 million that the previous poster mentioned is the 1 billion more that the owners want off the top minus the 200 or so million that the NFLPA has already verbally agreed to concede. So while it is not actually a payment it is a concession from the last CBA which is the obvious starting point for all involved.  Also, the players have made concessions already to the tune of 200+ million off the top of the total revenue and have signed off on a rookie salary scale. The owners have so far conceded nothing although I think they do agree on doing more for the retired vets no numbers have been announced.

Since: Nov 26, 2008
Posted on: March 10, 2011 12:50 pm

Owners can't agree on opening books

There are now winners here.... yo uare a talking about Billionaires against Millionaires with each side as greedy as the other!!!!!!   Even the lower tier football players get 200-500K in salary, to play football!  Your not doing anything special but playign a sport that you love since childhood.   I dont feel sorry for anyoen that is crying over millions of dollars....  manning, Brees and a handful of stars are maming more money that any generation of my family tree will make in a lifetime...... if yo uwalked into your work office right now and demanded your boss to fork over 50% of the pie to you and  the rest of workerforce... you would be filing for unemployment and be out of a job!  you know who truly suffer in this greed fight ???  Try the back office team staff.... the trainers, the full time stadium and facility crew... secretary's and regular office workers that are making $60K or less ...... that is who suffers while spoiled rich men squabble.   I am a football nut.... love it but I think both sides are stupid and wrong to do this... the owners for opting out and the Players demanding more!  I forgot, the other people getting screwed... as always, is the fans!

Since: Sep 13, 2007
Posted on: March 10, 2011 12:47 pm

Owners can't agree on opening books

THE players are NOT paying the owners a DIME, the money flow is from the owners TO the players
Incomplete money trail. Money flows from the fans (who watch players on TV and at attend games) and taxpayers (non fans who have to subsidize the stadiums) to the owners (through TV contracts, tickets and concessions) to the players.

No players (or scabs) result in fans not watching tv or attending games which takes the money away from the owners. So, The owners do not GET a dime unless they have high qualitiy players (loss of tv revenue and attendance). 

Since: Feb 22, 2008
Posted on: March 10, 2011 12:43 pm

Owners can't agree on opening books

Let the union decertify. Let the players go on strike. I'm sure there are plenty of talented people that will play a game for much lower salaries. Also, I'm sure there are plenty of players spending their millions as fast as they are earning it, so they'll be right back in uniform within a few months anyway.

Since: Aug 28, 2007
Posted on: March 10, 2011 12:39 pm

Owners can't agree on opening books

if you told your boss to open his books because he said he was losing money, you would be in the unemployment line so fast it would not be funny, and i dont think some judge will be lined up to help you. the players are just employies if they dont like it get another job.
the whole thing about getting hust is bullshit, no one is forcing they to play they made that choice on their own.

Since: Sep 13, 2007
Posted on: March 10, 2011 12:36 pm

Owners can't agree on opening books

Doesn't matter if they open the books or not the players won't give an inch and that is what will kill the game.  For some reason the players think they have entitlement.  Everytime Smith opens his mouth his claim is that is not wat we want. I know these talks are supposed to be under wraps but they have not totally but what has been said sofar indcates this is a one-sided negotiation.
The players did not create this crisis - the owners chose to pull out of the current Collective Bargaining Agreement which could have run through 2012. The players are not killing the game - the owners greed and ambition is.

I would really like to know which owners are willing to open up the books - they have my admiration. These owners have at least indicated a willingness to negotiate. The opening position of the owners was give up another $1 billion, increase the season to 18 games or you will be locked out. Talk about a one-side negotiation. The judge's decision that the owners could not keep $4 billion in television money in the event of the threatened lockout forced the owners to the table.

I hope they do come to an agreement, some outcomes I would want to see are retention of the 16 game regular season, an additional bye week, extending coverage for football related injuries, and some type of agreement on rookie salaries. In terms of revenue split, straight 50/50 split. The owners could then decide among themselves how much of their portion would go to capital improvement such as new stadiums. AS for the players, the 50% is not guaranteed - it just establishes the salary cap - unpaid portions of the 50% should go to funding the extended health insurance for the players.

Since: Mar 6, 2009
Posted on: March 10, 2011 12:33 pm

Owners can't agree on opening books

yeah but not all players get endorsments. All stadiums have other event like concerts tornamentsand stuff like that. If the players open up there endorsements then the owner would have to open up the other money they are making on the stadiums. college tornaments  and stuff like that. Now that will be a bigger piece of the pie then endorsements. I can guarantee you that the owners would not want to do that.

Since: Oct 11, 2006
Posted on: March 10, 2011 12:29 pm

Owners can't agree on opening books

Thats not a fair statement.  The players, like anybody in a negotiation, want to see the numbers that the owners keep referring to substantiate their argument for a bigger slice of revenue.  Totally reasonable.  Owners need to get over their "secret club" mentality, get professional, put the books out there and they will be surprised how willing the players are going to be to work together.

But c'mon, its not the dark ages....if they want the players to take into consideration their losses, open up the books....that may also mean showing the profits in the future...big deal, DO IT !!!!!

Since: Dec 10, 2007
Posted on: March 10, 2011 12:19 pm

Owners can't agree on opening books

THE players are NOT paying the owners a DIME, the money flow is from the owners TO the players

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