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NFL labor: here we go again

Posted on: March 10, 2011 8:12 pm
 
And. so, it's the Eve of Armageddon, Part Three. And, so, like the previous two eves of the expiration of the collective bargaining agreement, once again, it looks as if the owners and players are both arming photon torpedoes.

Two sources familiar with the labor talks told CBSSports.com that after five days of heavy talks following the last extension progress has not been significant enough to warrant optimism that a lockout/decertification dance two-step won't happen.

"We're basically in the same place we were last week," said one source close to the discussions.

Another source said the chance of a deal getting done tomorrow were "sub-zero" and a chance for an extension was also slim.

It looks bad. Really bad.

Remember, however: this was the case last week and then both sides agreed to more talks.

So the same thing could happen. A lot of this talk could be ploys to negotiate.

Probably not. The feeling throughout the league is that the language and outbursts have gotten more severe this week and control of the parties by mediator George Cohen is starting to slightly slip.

As a result, even if there was an extension, it wouldn't lead to much unless both sides agreed to a significant extension of discussions.

Basically, it looks horrible.

Is it too early to ask for a Christmas miracle?
Category: NFL
Tags: Labor
 
Comments

Since: Aug 11, 2006
Posted on: March 11, 2011 5:40 pm
 

NFL labor: here we go again

Hey Spartacus I'm ok with that provided the federal and state gov'ts do first!



Since: Jun 21, 2009
Posted on: March 11, 2011 5:38 pm
 

NFL labor: here we go again

Corporation:  "Wait, I can get money taken from the people at the point of a gun, eliminate all competition and force them to buy my crappy products (yes I'm talking to you GM and Harley Davidson)  Sign me up!"
This is why guns should be made entirely illegal and gun owners should be imprisoned.



Since: Jun 21, 2009
Posted on: March 11, 2011 5:35 pm
 

NFL labor: here we go again

Thank you commrad!  So we should go ahead and turn ownership and management of every corporation over to its employees then right --  AT&T, Microsoft, Ford, General Motors, IBM, Apple, Dell and on and on and on should all be immediately turned over to the control of the employees rather than the stockholder and/or private owners since "labor should control business" right?  Please.  Business are, and rightfully so, controlled by those who created them, who take the day to day financial risk of failure -- the players don't have to pay for stadiums if the NFL folds, the owners do--just one example.

Haha. Balrog1, this is great stuff. Yes, this what players and fans that support them versus the owners are after- a complete restructuring of the Fortune 500. It has to start somewhere, and where better than with a union composed largely of millionaires. It's more devious than Nixon going to China, or Clinton launching welfare reform.

'Businesses are controlled by those who created them'? Who told you that, Thomas Edison? "General Electric is mine, MINE! What does being dead have to do with it?"

The players don't have to pay for stadia (the plural of stadium) if the NFL folds, it's true. But then neither do the owners. Most of the stadia are paid for by the public; the teams stay on the books as owners when they succeed and look to bail when they don't succeed. Seen this happen too often, comrade; the stadium where I live was mostly paid for with government bonds which are secured by a dedicated county sales tax.

But yes, the risk of failure for the NFL is a serious risk, one that is very likely if the league is unable to get the union to cave to their demands. This risk of failure is so enormous because of the competiting professional football leagues, such as the USFL. Oh, wait, they folded 20+ years ago. Hmm....

You do realize don't you that the "billions on top of billions" is revenue, not profit?  Not all of the revenue not paid to players as salary goes into the owners' pockets you know.  They still have to pay for equipment, doctors, trainers, coaches, ticket takers, general managers, assistant general managers, marketing departments, utilities, insurance, player health insurance contributions, payments on stadium construction, etc, etc...of yea, don't forget corporate income taxes on any team profit and then personal income taxes on money the owner actually receives for his personal use.  For at least some teams, therefore, those billions on billions in NFL revenue translate into tens of millions of dollars in LOSSES, not profits, each year.
This doesn't make sense, unless you are talking about a corporate town where yes, all of the employees' salary does make it's way back in to the owners' pockets. Anyway, I don't think the NFL owners who are losing tens of millions of dollars, if the exist, are all that concerned. Check the prices of NFL franchises when one has been sold; the return on investment is pretty darn good. Yo may as well complain about having to pay taxes on a multi-million dollar home when prices are rising. Chump change...



Since: Aug 11, 2006
Posted on: March 11, 2011 5:30 pm
 

NFL labor: here we go again

If the players want what the owners have than they should have to match the money the owners put in. How about instead of going to the taxpayers to fund these new stadiums we take it out of the pockets of the players. I know some people are employed from the community but I am not so what benefit does it provide to me. If they use my tax dollars than why do I still have to pay for a seat
Bingo!  You are forced at the point of the IRS gun to fund something you won't use.



Since: Aug 11, 2006
Posted on: March 11, 2011 5:27 pm
 

NFL labor: here we go again

Why won't the owners open their books?  The players said that they would deal if the owners actually opened their books and showed them the losses they are acruing. 
Because they don't have to, I wouldn't.  But then again I wouldn't join a union where i can only sell my labor to one employer. 



Since: Mar 6, 2008
Posted on: March 11, 2011 5:24 pm
 

NFL labor: here we go again

Why won't the owners open their books?  The players said that they would deal if the owners actually opened their books and showed them the losses they are acruing. 

I think the owners are making money hand over fist yet still want more.  



Since: Oct 17, 2010
Posted on: March 11, 2011 5:24 pm
 

NFL labor: here we go again

If the players want what the owners have than they should have to match the money the owners put in. How about instead of going to the taxpayers to fund these new stadiums we take it out of the pockets of the players. I know some people are employed from the community but I am not so what benefit does it provide to me. If they use my tax dollars than why do I still have to pay for a seat. In Miami I looked for a seat at a particular game and found the prices to be 80 dollars a ticket in the upper level. So I stayed home. The players are the talent and the owners would be the host but without the fans neither makes a difference. BUt we are only a part of the revenue the big players are corporations who pay big for their seats and than write them off and get the money back through taxes. Funny how they use my money to build but give corporations  a refund for buying tickets. Maybe we should be expecting a dividend check. So go ahead and strike see if we care. I am not going to lose sleep over the poor millionaires or billionaires. Their not losing any sleep over me or my problems.



Since: Aug 11, 2006
Posted on: March 11, 2011 5:23 pm
 

NFL labor: here we go again

yo prezbucky, btw, the 'rich' got their bush tax cuts and wallstreet got their obama bailout and they arent putting any of that into 'creating jobs'. you are just a programmed idiot. yeah dude, feudalism really kicks arse bro. yeehoo.
Couldn't agree more, the only thing worse than government and corporations is when these two idiots work together. 

Corporation:  "Wait, I can get money taken from the people at the point of a gun, eliminate all competition and force them to buy my crappy products (yes I'm talking to you GM and Harley Davidson)  Sign me up!"



Since: Aug 22, 2007
Posted on: March 11, 2011 5:18 pm
 

NFL labor: here we go again

yo prezbucky, btw, the 'rich' got their bush tax cuts and wallstreet got their obama bailout and they arent putting any of that into 'creating jobs'. you are just a programmed idiot. yeah dude, feudalism really kicks arse bro. yeehoo.



Since: Aug 11, 2006
Posted on: March 11, 2011 5:14 pm
 

NFL labor: here we go again

Seriously though, this is what made Gene Upshaw so good.  Look when you have two monoplies at work here (the union and the owners) the two have to tread lightly as to not damage the product because there is no competition to provide an alternative to the customers.  Now I know the idea of two or three leagues is not exactly appealing but the truth of the matter is it's assumed the fans will have no place else to go and get our fix.  Both sides know there is no major player offering what they do.

If the players decertify and cross lines to whatever Cuban's joke of a league was the NFL will wake up and the DeMaurice Smith's of the world and owners will realize the golden goose is now officially cooked.  WE have given them too much power, it's time to take our game back.

This is why I'm anti-union, anti-collusion, and certainly anti-monopoly.  It has to be a perfect marriage for a process where one party owns the labor and there is only one viable employer.


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