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NFL talks still moving despite contrary report

Posted on: June 15, 2011 3:17 pm
Edited on: June 15, 2011 5:28 pm
On one day, I report that a CBA deal is 80-85 percent complete, and there is guarded optimism. On another day, ESPN reports the talks almost blew up. One day--extreme optimism. Another day--not so much.

That's how these talks are going to go. I can't find a single person who says talks nearly "blew up" but that doesn't mean they didn't. It also doesn't mean that a large chunk of progress hasn't been made. Because it has. I've quoted people close to the talks saying a deal was weeks, if not days, away. I always believed late June and early July was the date they'd get this done. That is still a strong possibility, according to several people close to the situation.

That position was enhanced when late in the day on Wednesday owners and players announced talks would continue. Doesn't that sound like progress is being made? Does that sound like things were on the verge of blowing up?

The big problem remains the hatred between the lawyers. They were again allowed into the room after being kicked out of it. I think everyone involved in the discussions again underestimated the level of venom they'd once again bring.

So this is where we are: this situation changes daily, if not hourly. Based on everyone I speak to the sense of guarded optimism remains thick.

Even if the sport is stuck in a labor maze.


Category: NFL
Tags: Labor
Since: Apr 16, 2009
Posted on: June 15, 2011 8:59 pm
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Since: May 31, 2007
Posted on: June 15, 2011 8:19 pm

NFL talks still moving despite contrary report

Show me a reporter who names all his sources, and I'll show you a reporter with no sources.

Not that I'm a big Freeman apologist... I do often find his writing to be entirely too reactionary and/or impulsive.  But the truth is, most sources don't want to be named in almost any controversial or otherwise newsworthy situation, because their bosses or co-workers would be upset at them (or at the least, would feel like they couldn't talk candidly to them anymore).  If the reporter names his source and the source gets in trouble, they'll never tell him anything again.  If the reporter names his source and he doesn't get in trouble, people still won't tell him the good stuff anymore, and he'll become useless as a source.

It may not be ideal, but that's the state of contemporary journalism.  Your alternative is to either find a way to drastically change the culture and methods of information transfer through the legal and business systems, or else just read the official press-releases spewed out by the PR departments (which I assure you are no more factual or less biased than what you read from the reporters on this site).

Bottom line is, you just have to figure out as a reader which reporters end up being right the most often.  That tells you who has the most reliable sources (as opposed to schmucks around a water cooler), and whom you can trust to put out good information in the future... with or without the source names.

Since: Jun 15, 2011
Posted on: June 15, 2011 7:40 pm

NFL talks still moving despite contrary report

Learn how to spell. You sound like an idiot.  Why would a source name themselves if they feared some sort of back lash at the them.  hince thats why they do not reveal themselves.  if you dont like the author of the post then stop reading it and just read what ESPN continues to put out there.  people like you make fans look stupid because you dont know what your talking about.

Since: Aug 9, 2009
Posted on: June 15, 2011 7:22 pm

NFL talks still moving despite contrary report


Actually you are wrong. Mike is reoprting as far as we know - it is called unconfirmed reporting. You have your opinion that his just his opinion but, you cannot prove that. I would have thought you were smarter than that and would have not made that mistake. I guess we are both wrong. 

Since: Apr 28, 2009
Posted on: June 15, 2011 7:13 pm

NFL talks still moving despite contrary report

I don't need to know how much you hate ESPN, idiot.

Since: Jun 21, 2007
Posted on: June 15, 2011 6:58 pm

NFL talks still moving despite contrary report

Wow.  Some of you seem to hate this guy yet you still read his articles and reply to them.  I think I know which ones are the real troglodites.  And as far as ESPN is concerned, haven't you learned that they have to make a huge deal about nothing (see "the decision" starring Lebron James)?  Journalistic ethics are not the great anymore, and you can pretty much make up anything you want and throw it out with an anonymous source label.

As a matter of fact, an anonymous source close to the inner workings of ESPN informed me that "ESPN is reporting erroneous information in an attempt to keep the NFL in lockout mode so they (espn) can televise the United States Howdown Society's square dancing finals from Las Vegas". 

To the credit of sportsline, they are usually a step ahead of espn in reporting breaking news.  Yes, there are still slow news days where we read the same information presented in a different format, but that is OUR fault, not the writer's.

Since: Apr 28, 2009
Posted on: June 15, 2011 6:42 pm

NFL talks still moving despite contrary report

I should say that I take the Al Michaels-Boomer Esiason approach to this. You are really good if you get that one.

Since: Jan 22, 2008
Posted on: June 15, 2011 6:41 pm

NFL talks still moving despite contrary report

The one thing missing on any comments about the lawyers. The longer they drag things out the more money they make. It seems in their best interest to drag things out and set up as many road blocks as possible. It seems to be amazing how much progess is made when they are not involved and when the get involved everything grinds to a halt. I think they should fire all of them and just come to an agreement both sides can work with.

Since: Apr 28, 2009
Posted on: June 15, 2011 6:34 pm

NFL talks still moving despite contrary report

I take the Al Michaels approach here, and it's not one that's well known.

Since: Apr 14, 2011
Posted on: June 15, 2011 6:17 pm

NFL talks still moving despite contrary report

As I continue to read about the NFL lockout with the same anticipation that my parents had when Neil Armstrong first set foot on the moon, I am beginning to think of taking a side on this issue.  That side is of the fans.  Why aren't the fans in the room negotiations?  At least they would not be afraid of being named as an anonymus source.  In fact fans would be candid and say Owner X is being a butt hole about an 18 game preseason or Player Y thinks the season should be four games.

  • I realize covering a story of negotiations between big babies and bigger bullies can be a difficult experience, especially when Roberts Rules of Order are not being followed.  I wish the media could have a moratorium on its coverage unless someone is willing to go on record about the discussions. 

  • The four letter network doesn't help much because they tend to find stories where none may exist and the other sites need to keep up.  For example, let's imagine a story around the water cooler:  Bob A: "I hear the football negotiations ar not going well."  Bob B.: " I hear that too.  I gotta get back to work.  Reports are piling in my inbox."  Result: the Four letter network reports that multiple sources are quoted as saying the NFL labor negotiations are not going well.  The result is there are a lot of reports that need to be sorted."

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