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Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Posted on: December 6, 2011 5:32 pm
Edited on: December 7, 2011 10:03 am
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Start with the fact the Big East has BCS membership only because of a hall pass.

The BCS commissioners awarded the conference a waiver to stay in the club in 2007 just, well, because. Back then, the Big East still had enough existing juice from its teams and power from its administrators to keep its nose under the BCS tent.

No more.

You don’t have to be told that the Big East hasn’t had a team ranked in the final BCS top 20 since 2009. Or had one team in the top 10 of the BCS since 2008. (The Big Ten has had seven.) Such things matter when a conference is being awarded an $18 million-$20 million bowl game each year just, because.

That’s why you may have noticed the Big East is expanding, to chase that magic BCS berth like it was a contact high. CBSSports.com’s Brett McMurphy reported Tuesday that Boise State, San Diego State, Houston, SMU and Central Florida will join the league in 2013.

The problem is no one really knows what it all means. Four of the five new schools are basically warm bodies to keep the Big East afloat. The league is hoping the fifth, Boise, can keep the conference in the BCS big time. Air Force and Navy may join later.

But there’s no certainty the BCS is even going to be around in a few years. Commissioners will spend most of the next year deciding what college football’s postseason will look like beginning in 2014 (when the current BCS contract expires). The question – now that there is a bit of clarity regarding Big East membership – is if the league is better off with this current expansion.

Short answer: No. Not even close. The schools that have left – West Virginia, Syracuse and Pittsburgh – have accounted for five BCS bowls in the 14-year history of the system. That’s more than twice as many as the new schools bring to the table, all of them by Boise State (two).

But what choice did the Big East have? After the latest ACC raid, it just needed a heartbeat.

Here is  breakdown between the old and new. Decide for yourself if the Big East is worthy of a BCS bid.

(Note: We are considering the “highest level of football” since 1973 when Division I was established by the NCAA. Boise State moved up to Division I-A in 1996. All ranking references are to the Associated Press and BCS.)

 

Boise State

Conference: Mountain West, first year

Age of program at highest level of college football: 16th year in Division I-A/FBS

Years in the BCS era that the Broncos ended the season ranked (1998-present): Seven

The last year the Broncos ended the season ranked: 2011

BCS bowls: two (2007 Fiesta, 2010 Fiesta)

 

San Diego State

Conference: Mountain West, 13th year

Age of program at highest level: 39th year in Division I/Division I-A/FBS

Years in the BCS era that the Aztecs ended the season ranked: None.

The last year the Aztecs ended the season ranked: 1977

BCS bowls: None.

 

Houston

Conference: Conference USA, 16th year

Age of program at highest level: 39th year in Division I/Division I-A/FBS

Years in the BCS era that the Cougars ended the season ranked: One (2011)

The last year the Cougars ended the season ranked: 1990

BCS bowls: None



SMU

Conference: Conference USA, sixth year
 
Age of program at highest level: 39th year in Division I/Division I-A/FBS

Years in the BCS era that the Mustangs ended the season ranked: None.

The last year the Mustangs ended ranked: 1984

BCS bowls: None.

  

Central Florida

Conference: Conference USA, sixth year  

Age of program at highest level: 16th year in Division I-A/FBS

Years in the BCS era the Knights ended the season ranked: One (2010)

The last year the Knights ended ranked: 2010.

BCS bowls: None.

 

The skinny on new teams

Average stay in current conference: 8.4 years

Average age of new programs at highest level of football: 29.8 years

Total seasons in the BCS era that ended with a ranking: Nine (average of 1.8 times per school)

Average length of time, in years, since last end-of-season ranking: 16.4 years

Last season ranked at the end of the season: Boise, 2011

Total BCS bowls: Two.

 

The skinny on departing teams (West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse)

Average stay in current conference: 20 years (Each year was a charter member in football.)

Average age of programs playing at the highest level of football: 39

Total seasons in the BCS era that ended with a ranking: 12 (average of four times per school)

Average length of time, in years, since last end-of-season ranking: four

Last season ranked at end of the season: 2011 (West Virginia)

Total BCS bowls: 5


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Comments

Since: Nov 27, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2011 4:02 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Your premise is a bad one.

Your reasoning in saying the new schools are bad is because they don't have any BCS Bowls.......but by the nature of how things work, the only teams that can PLAY in the BCS Bowls essentially are teams in the Big Conferences.....which none of them are a part of.  Sure, you might slip in to one spot like Boise did if you have an unbelievable season, but saying this is a sham because the new teams do not have any BCS appearances is not a good argument.  If you want to look at records and lack of ANY bowl appearances, then that is one way to look at it.  Your argument doesn't work



Since: Nov 27, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2011 4:01 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Your premise is a bad one.

Your reasoning in saying the new schools are bad is because they don't have any BCS Bowls.......but by the nature of how things work, the only teams that can PLAY in the BCS Bowls essentially are teams in the Big Conferences.....which none of them are a part of.  Sure, you might slip in to one spot like Boise did if you have an unbelievable season, but saying this is a sham because the new teams do not have any BCS appearances is not a good argument.  If you want to look at records and lack of ANY bowl appearances, then that is one way to look at it.  Your argument doesn't work




Since: Nov 27, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2011 4:00 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Your premise is a bad one.

Your reasoning in saying the new schools are bad is because they don't have any BCS Bowls.......but by the nature of how things work, the only teams that can PLAY in the BCS Bowls essentially are teams in the Big Conferences.....which none of them are a part of.  Sure, you might slip in to one spot like Boise did if you have an unbelievable season, but saying this is a sham because the new teams do not have any BCS appearances is not a good argument.  If you want to look at records and lack of ANY bowl appearances, then that is one way to look at it.  Your argument doesn't work



Since: Oct 23, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2011 3:54 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

The problem is that Louisville and possibly Cincinnati have one foot out the door to the Big 12.

The Big 12 is waiting to see what happens with WVU and the lawsuits.  IF WVU comes onboard quickly, then expect Louisville to come in 2012.

It is just a matter of when.  So the Big East would lose 2 more teams that have went to BCS bowl games.

Also, The Stadiums and facilities added are horribly bad and tiny of the new additions.

This is just postpoing the inevitable.




Since: Jun 25, 2009
Posted on: December 7, 2011 3:52 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Conference names are such a joke anymore...Big East when you will now have teams from the midwest, and west coast.  Big Ten when you have 12 teams...the continuing saga of the dumbing down of America.



Since: Feb 4, 2009
Posted on: December 7, 2011 3:45 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

The Fianl Rankings for the 2010 NCAA Football Season came out ib the 2011 NCAA Football Season.



Since: Feb 4, 2009
Posted on: December 7, 2011 3:42 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

I like Boise State Broncos in the Big East since they won BCS Bowls:Two (2007 Fiesta Bowl,and 2010 Fiesta Bowl).



Since: Jan 11, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2011 3:39 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

If the Big East is at risk to lose their AQ status because they haven't had any teams ranked in the top 20 since 2009 and that is a relevant factor in who gets a AQ, doesn't it help the Big East a lot to trade three teams that haven't ranked in the top 20 for years in exchange for three teams that did (or look like they will this year)?  Boise's history alone crushes the entire recent history of the Big East.  Houston is also ranked higher than any Big East school.  Who cares what they did years ago?  The BCS people who determine the AQ status don't.  To determine the MWC's chances they were going to base it on their teams' rankings over the past four years, not since the beginning of the BCS era.  These moves improve the Big East's chances because recent history counts when determining who gets AQ status.




Since: Dec 7, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 3:37 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

I think those schools have been every bit as competitive as SU or Pitt. In fact, SU is a joke. West Virginia, while okay, didn't exactly dominate the BE, unable to win outright a conference title the last two years. As for UCF coming on, don't be obtuse. It's been competitive for a few years now. Why is it that you note some schools' recent performance to support a supposition that they're not that good but turn around and cite one year of UCF doing poorly. Not very consistent. Fact is UCF is a large school with resources located in a fertile recruiting area. Do you get that it is "coming on" now?



Since: Dec 7, 2007
Posted on: December 7, 2011 3:31 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Comparing what would have been the 2012 Mtn West with what would have been 2012 Big East is interesting (if they only added the C-USA teams, and without West Va). 

Mtn West looks better to me.  If the BCS goes away, and they go to back to traditional tie-ins to the Major Bowls and institute a Plus 1, the Big East could be left out anyway. 

Mtn West
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Boise St, Hawaii, Fresno St, San Diego St, Nevada, UNLV, Wyoming, Colo St, Air Force, New Mexico

 

Big East, if they added the CUSA teams

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UCONN, Syracuse, Pitt, Rutgers, Cincinnati, Louisville, South Fla, Central Fla, Houston, SMU



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