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Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Posted on: December 6, 2011 5:32 pm
Edited on: December 7, 2011 10:03 am
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Start with the fact the Big East has BCS membership only because of a hall pass.

The BCS commissioners awarded the conference a waiver to stay in the club in 2007 just, well, because. Back then, the Big East still had enough existing juice from its teams and power from its administrators to keep its nose under the BCS tent.

No more.

You don’t have to be told that the Big East hasn’t had a team ranked in the final BCS top 20 since 2009. Or had one team in the top 10 of the BCS since 2008. (The Big Ten has had seven.) Such things matter when a conference is being awarded an $18 million-$20 million bowl game each year just, because.

That’s why you may have noticed the Big East is expanding, to chase that magic BCS berth like it was a contact high. CBSSports.com’s Brett McMurphy reported Tuesday that Boise State, San Diego State, Houston, SMU and Central Florida will join the league in 2013.

The problem is no one really knows what it all means. Four of the five new schools are basically warm bodies to keep the Big East afloat. The league is hoping the fifth, Boise, can keep the conference in the BCS big time. Air Force and Navy may join later.

But there’s no certainty the BCS is even going to be around in a few years. Commissioners will spend most of the next year deciding what college football’s postseason will look like beginning in 2014 (when the current BCS contract expires). The question – now that there is a bit of clarity regarding Big East membership – is if the league is better off with this current expansion.

Short answer: No. Not even close. The schools that have left – West Virginia, Syracuse and Pittsburgh – have accounted for five BCS bowls in the 14-year history of the system. That’s more than twice as many as the new schools bring to the table, all of them by Boise State (two).

But what choice did the Big East have? After the latest ACC raid, it just needed a heartbeat.

Here is  breakdown between the old and new. Decide for yourself if the Big East is worthy of a BCS bid.

(Note: We are considering the “highest level of football” since 1973 when Division I was established by the NCAA. Boise State moved up to Division I-A in 1996. All ranking references are to the Associated Press and BCS.)

 

Boise State

Conference: Mountain West, first year

Age of program at highest level of college football: 16th year in Division I-A/FBS

Years in the BCS era that the Broncos ended the season ranked (1998-present): Seven

The last year the Broncos ended the season ranked: 2011

BCS bowls: two (2007 Fiesta, 2010 Fiesta)

 

San Diego State

Conference: Mountain West, 13th year

Age of program at highest level: 39th year in Division I/Division I-A/FBS

Years in the BCS era that the Aztecs ended the season ranked: None.

The last year the Aztecs ended the season ranked: 1977

BCS bowls: None.

 

Houston

Conference: Conference USA, 16th year

Age of program at highest level: 39th year in Division I/Division I-A/FBS

Years in the BCS era that the Cougars ended the season ranked: One (2011)

The last year the Cougars ended the season ranked: 1990

BCS bowls: None



SMU

Conference: Conference USA, sixth year
 
Age of program at highest level: 39th year in Division I/Division I-A/FBS

Years in the BCS era that the Mustangs ended the season ranked: None.

The last year the Mustangs ended ranked: 1984

BCS bowls: None.

  

Central Florida

Conference: Conference USA, sixth year  

Age of program at highest level: 16th year in Division I-A/FBS

Years in the BCS era the Knights ended the season ranked: One (2010)

The last year the Knights ended ranked: 2010.

BCS bowls: None.

 

The skinny on new teams

Average stay in current conference: 8.4 years

Average age of new programs at highest level of football: 29.8 years

Total seasons in the BCS era that ended with a ranking: Nine (average of 1.8 times per school)

Average length of time, in years, since last end-of-season ranking: 16.4 years

Last season ranked at the end of the season: Boise, 2011

Total BCS bowls: Two.

 

The skinny on departing teams (West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse)

Average stay in current conference: 20 years (Each year was a charter member in football.)

Average age of programs playing at the highest level of football: 39

Total seasons in the BCS era that ended with a ranking: 12 (average of four times per school)

Average length of time, in years, since last end-of-season ranking: four

Last season ranked at end of the season: 2011 (West Virginia)

Total BCS bowls: 5


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Comments

Since: Mar 26, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 1:47 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Why go back in time to compare the past Big East to the new Big East? What about the current or recent performances for comparison. Other than W.Virgina the recent success/performances of the Big East teams have been poor (to put it mildly). That includes the departing Syracuse and Pittsburgh football teams. Looking at the recent performance of the new teams joining the BE...San Diego State was 8-4 and is headed for the New Orleans Bowl this year, Houston was 12-1 and is going to the TicketCity Bowl this year and SMU was 7-5 and will be going to the Compass Bowl this year. Central Florida was 5-7 with no bowl invite.
Do these records/bowls compare to the top teams ...of course not, but to say that new teams are no better than the old Big East teams, is neither fare nor accurate. 



Since: Jan 19, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2011 1:25 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Since an 8- or 16-team playoff is *highly* unlikely to happen...

Let's please, please go back to the old bowl system, with conference tie-ins and a few openings for at large teams in some of the better bowls. Then, after the bowl season, let's pick the two most impressive teams and let them play for the championship. It would be more inclusive and more fair than the BCS system. This year, there would be at least five teams going into the bowl season with a legitimate shot at making the championship game. Some years there would be six or seven. It isn't as satisfying as a playoff, but it would be MUCH more appealing to me than the old-boy network we have controlling the national championship now.

No, it's not an original idea. But I think it's a good one.



Since: Dec 5, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 1:11 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

What Dodd does not say is that a team in a non BCS conference has to be much better than a BCS team to be ranked in the top 25, thus fewer non BCS teams in the top 25. He did not mention the intrinsic value to a team by being in a BCS conference. They will have better recruiting and retention of their coaches. In a couple of years the 5 new Big East teams will dominate the league as well as making a positive showing against the rest of the BCS conferences. All the while Pitt, WVU and Syracuse will never see another conference championship or BCS bowl. They have had the entire BCS life to develope their football programs and failed.




Since: Dec 7, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 1:00 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

You/boise didn't even win your conference. TCU beat you on your own retared blue turf. Will you people just shut up and walk through the door that says"Reality Check."



Since: Nov 10, 2008
Posted on: December 7, 2011 12:58 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Kind of an odd comparison when looking at the number of BCS bowls. The Big East get a BCS bowl birth every year whether they deserve one or not. The teams coming in have never been given that opportunity. What this new group coming in brings is not BCS bowls- those are automatic. Instead, they will bring BCS bowl wins...to begin with in Boise State. But the others will come as well.

Do you not think that recruiting will be helped by being in a BCS conference? The best players want to be in a BCS conference. Boise State has done what they have without the blue chip recruits. What will happen if they start getting four and five star players? What will happen in Houston, SMU, San Diego State, and Central Florida? What about budgets? Boise State's whole football budget is less than what some college coaches get paid. What will they do with money? You really can't compare the schools until they have a few years of some of these benefits. Then we'll talk.



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2011 12:54 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Mrwasatch and ggls both make good points about weaknesses in Dodd's column.  You guys need to remember that Dodd and CBS are contractually tied to the SEC.  It should be no surprise that Dodd would lay out a factually incomplete picture, because the SEC would like nothing better than to see the Big East lose its AQ status.  The SEC has been champing at the bit to get a 3rd BCS bowl bid for years, and eliminating the Big East's AQ spot would help pave the way.  Dodd is not trying to be objective here...he has a political agenda.



Since: Aug 16, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2011 12:44 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

teres minor, you still think big east basketball will remain the "big Beast"??  You are dreaming dude.  The ACC will now become the best b-ball conference of the land.  You also need to accept that UCONN will probably be joining the ACC in the next few years.  Louisville will probably move somewhere else as well. 

Vegasrugger, I rarely agree with teres minor about anything, but he is right in that the Big East will remain a very formidable conference.  I know everyone has given the Big East credit for being the best in basketball for the past few years, but in truth, the Big Ten has been breathing down the Big East's neck.  The ACC has long considered itself to be the premier basketball conference, and it doesn't like playing 3rd fiddle to the Big Ten and Big East. This is just one more reason why they would once again raid the Big East.  With the addition of Pitt and Syracuse, the power balance should tip slightly in the ACC's favor, but the Big East will still be a beastly conference. 

BTW, don't count on any further ACC expansion until it happens.  The ACC may find it is very happy with 14 teams.  I don't see U-Conn leaving the Big East anytime soon.  You are right in that Louisville would jump at the chance to join the Big-12, but U-Conn won't get that chance.  If U-Conn goes anywhere, it would be to the ACC or Big Ten, and I don't see either of them expanding anytime soon.  They both want to get comfortable with what they've got before they do anything.



Since: Aug 16, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 12:33 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Has anyone ever been flipping channels and ran across any Big East game and actually stopped to watch it?  At best, you check back during commercials of the other game that you are watching.  The Big East is a joke.



Since: Dec 7, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 12:09 pm
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Boise should've played in a BCS Bowl every year since '06 but because $ is the biggest factor for making a BCS Bowl, they got hosed in 3 of those years (4, if you include this year). Not only did they get hosed in those years, but 2yrs ago when they actually got to play in the Fiesta Bowl they were matched up against TCU because none of the other schools wanted to get whooped by a "non-BCS" school and look stupid in the process. Michigan, Clemson and West Virginia should be very happy to not have to face them in a BCS Bowl because those games would've been blowouts, but now that they're in a current BCS conference, look for them to be an annual attendee of a BCS Bowl and let the beatings begin!



Since: Sep 21, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2011 11:47 am
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Dodd shows 5 BCS bids for the old teams to 2 for the new teams... but that's not really a fair comparisson... how many of those 5 automatic bids would the Big East teams have gotten if they didn't have the automatic bid?  Pitt and Syracuse haven't had a BCS worthy team in years... West Virginia maybe, about equal to Boise... for football they're not losing a thing, if anything, they might be better with Boise, Houston, SMU, San Diego State... the conference alignment is quirky at best, wish they could add more west representation like Tulsa or Air Force.


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