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Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Posted on: December 6, 2011 5:32 pm
Edited on: December 7, 2011 10:03 am
 

Start with the fact the Big East has BCS membership only because of a hall pass.

The BCS commissioners awarded the conference a waiver to stay in the club in 2007 just, well, because. Back then, the Big East still had enough existing juice from its teams and power from its administrators to keep its nose under the BCS tent.

No more.

You don’t have to be told that the Big East hasn’t had a team ranked in the final BCS top 20 since 2009. Or had one team in the top 10 of the BCS since 2008. (The Big Ten has had seven.) Such things matter when a conference is being awarded an $18 million-$20 million bowl game each year just, because.

That’s why you may have noticed the Big East is expanding, to chase that magic BCS berth like it was a contact high. CBSSports.com’s Brett McMurphy reported Tuesday that Boise State, San Diego State, Houston, SMU and Central Florida will join the league in 2013.

The problem is no one really knows what it all means. Four of the five new schools are basically warm bodies to keep the Big East afloat. The league is hoping the fifth, Boise, can keep the conference in the BCS big time. Air Force and Navy may join later.

But there’s no certainty the BCS is even going to be around in a few years. Commissioners will spend most of the next year deciding what college football’s postseason will look like beginning in 2014 (when the current BCS contract expires). The question – now that there is a bit of clarity regarding Big East membership – is if the league is better off with this current expansion.

Short answer: No. Not even close. The schools that have left – West Virginia, Syracuse and Pittsburgh – have accounted for five BCS bowls in the 14-year history of the system. That’s more than twice as many as the new schools bring to the table, all of them by Boise State (two).

But what choice did the Big East have? After the latest ACC raid, it just needed a heartbeat.

Here is  breakdown between the old and new. Decide for yourself if the Big East is worthy of a BCS bid.

(Note: We are considering the “highest level of football” since 1973 when Division I was established by the NCAA. Boise State moved up to Division I-A in 1996. All ranking references are to the Associated Press and BCS.)

 

Boise State

Conference: Mountain West, first year

Age of program at highest level of college football: 16th year in Division I-A/FBS

Years in the BCS era that the Broncos ended the season ranked (1998-present): Seven

The last year the Broncos ended the season ranked: 2011

BCS bowls: two (2007 Fiesta, 2010 Fiesta)

 

San Diego State

Conference: Mountain West, 13th year

Age of program at highest level: 39th year in Division I/Division I-A/FBS

Years in the BCS era that the Aztecs ended the season ranked: None.

The last year the Aztecs ended the season ranked: 1977

BCS bowls: None.

 

Houston

Conference: Conference USA, 16th year

Age of program at highest level: 39th year in Division I/Division I-A/FBS

Years in the BCS era that the Cougars ended the season ranked: One (2011)

The last year the Cougars ended the season ranked: 1990

BCS bowls: None



SMU

Conference: Conference USA, sixth year
 
Age of program at highest level: 39th year in Division I/Division I-A/FBS

Years in the BCS era that the Mustangs ended the season ranked: None.

The last year the Mustangs ended ranked: 1984

BCS bowls: None.

  

Central Florida

Conference: Conference USA, sixth year  

Age of program at highest level: 16th year in Division I-A/FBS

Years in the BCS era the Knights ended the season ranked: One (2010)

The last year the Knights ended ranked: 2010.

BCS bowls: None.

 

The skinny on new teams

Average stay in current conference: 8.4 years

Average age of new programs at highest level of football: 29.8 years

Total seasons in the BCS era that ended with a ranking: Nine (average of 1.8 times per school)

Average length of time, in years, since last end-of-season ranking: 16.4 years

Last season ranked at the end of the season: Boise, 2011

Total BCS bowls: Two.

 

The skinny on departing teams (West Virginia, Pittsburgh, Syracuse)

Average stay in current conference: 20 years (Each year was a charter member in football.)

Average age of programs playing at the highest level of football: 39

Total seasons in the BCS era that ended with a ranking: 12 (average of four times per school)

Average length of time, in years, since last end-of-season ranking: four

Last season ranked at end of the season: 2011 (West Virginia)

Total BCS bowls: 5


Comments

Since: Dec 7, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 11:44 am
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Like terfra1 says, fans get cheated, it's all about the money..........



Since: Dec 7, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 11:39 am
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Although it may be splitting hairs Boise State is the only new Big East team that has been to a BCS bowl once the others have gone.  Others that are still in the conference also went to BCS Bowls Louisville went to the 2007 Orange Bowl where they defeated ACC Champ Wake Forest.  Writer might want to completely check facts. Also, Cincinnati played in the Sugar Bowl in 2010 and Connecticut in the Fiesta Bowl in  2011.  That is 5 BCS bowls among the new and remaining members which is exactly the same as the the teams that are leaving.  Of those leaving, since 2006, Only West Virginia has appeared in BCS bowls. 3 including this year.



Since: Dec 31, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2011 11:26 am
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Wow, what an uninformed piece of supposed "journalism".
You might try looking into the future as opposed to the past. As football programs, Pitt and Syracuse are perennial dogs and you compare them unfavorably to Boise State and SMU?
Yeesh.
The only big loss was West Virginia and that loss is a big one for West Virginia as well, as they lose all of their rivals and their fans can't even sniff a drive to a Conference game.
The bottom line is that the Big East is a better football conference after these changes than before.
Boise State > West Virginia
SMU > Pitt
Houston > Syracuse
In the grand scheme of all this, it's the fans that get cheated and it's all about the money.




Since: Aug 24, 2006
Posted on: December 7, 2011 11:10 am
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

teres minor, you still think big east basketball will remain the "big Beast"??  You are dreaming dude.  The ACC will now become the best b-ball conference of the land.  You also need to accept that UCONN will probably be joining the ACC in the next few years.  Louisville will probably move somewhere else as well.  So who's left?  Notre Dame?  Georgetown?  marquette? Villanova?  Now look at the ACC's top 4 teams: Duke, NC, PITT and 'cuse.  yeah, "Big Beast"



Since: May 30, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 10:56 am
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Big East 2003
Miami
Virginia Tech
WVU
Pitt
Syracuse
Boston College
Temple
Rutgers

and it was still called the "big least"

Big East 2013
Boise St
San Diego St
UCF
USF
Houston
SMU
Cincinatti
Rutgers
Uconn
Louisville* (probably in the Big 12 by then)

Yeah no drop-off there.





Since: Jun 5, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 10:49 am
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Old Big East: Impossibly great basketball conference, mediocre football conference. 
New Big East: Great basketball conference, mediocre football conference.

The changes will be great for basketball, because they traded some very tough teams for some reasonably good teams.  The conference really needed more tomato cans because the conference schedule had become too tough.  Now, good teams get a "breather" once in awhile, and bottom-feeders can win two or three more games.  
 
As for football, the conference isn't really any better, but a lot of teams that whine now get a chance to play in a barely major conference.  There aren't a lot of great teams, or really any, but there are a lot of decent teams.  The only thing that is impressive about the Big East is the depth of its good to mediocre teams.  Nobody is a threat to win a National Championship, but almost anyone can beat almost anyone else.   
 
The bottom line: still the Big Beast in basketball, still the Big Least in football.  The only difference is that now, they probably have just enough legitimate football teams to survive the next big restructuring. 



Since: Dec 6, 2009
Posted on: December 7, 2011 10:17 am
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

What is it about men who can't keep their women happy that they get a gig on ESPN? Huh Colin? Tell us all about THAT! Maybe we should ask your LAST female ride. We are all now anxious to hear your views on the new Big East. Come on Colin, man up and tell us all about it. All of us nobodies with little real understanding of football are waiting for you to tell us what we think. I know, you can ask big time football know-it-alls like your ESPN buddies Craig "I want to ruin my kid's life" James and super insightful Merrill Hoge can help you out.



Since: Dec 6, 2009
Posted on: December 7, 2011 10:08 am
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

Tim Tebow hating Merrill Hoge, and the two Boise State haters wannabe talking head Craig James and puke fest dork Colin Cowherd have all crapped in thier ESPN nests recently. Isnt it about time someone went nthere and took a firehose to the place? I can only imagine what the smell is like.
Until then I can't image the three have anythng positive to say about teh Big East, Chris Peterson or Boise State.   But then again if you areat  such an absolute loss for words youhave to make things up, anything goes.




Since: Dec 7, 2011
Posted on: December 7, 2011 10:05 am
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

This is one of the dumbest things I've read.  How can you compare # of incoming BCS Bowls to outgoing?  They're coming from non BCS Conferences.......Of course the outgoing will have more, they didn't have to go un defeated to get their BCS Bowls.....



Since: Feb 2, 2010
Posted on: December 7, 2011 10:00 am
 

Comparing old Big East to new Big East

I've already pointed out this flaw before when comparing BCS bowls for the incoming vs. the outgoing..
The point is to highlight the teams that are leaving versus the ones staying in the conference.  If, say, Rutgers, Syracuse, and UConn left, if would be relevant to point out that these teams have only accounted for 1 of the conference's bcs bids, and that therefore they aren't really that big of a loss.  In that sense it matters, though certainly not as a direct comparison to the incoming teams.


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